North Korea prepares for more nuke tests - US main target

[Rukentuts]

what proof do you have those other countries wouldn't?

It's a rather safe assumption that any first-world industrialized nation wouldn't cross that line first.

They would most likely only use them first as a last resort.

[Wildtree]

So what about the UK, France, Israel, India, Italy, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, China, and Turkey?

People needs to stop pretending the USA is the only country with nukes.

Objection. Germany does NOT have nuclear weapons. There are nuclear weapons on German soil, which do belong to the USA as part of the Nato forces. And they are only at one air base.
Germany is part of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, NPT, and takes it very seriously. Anything Nuclear doesn't fly well with Germans.
We even opted out of nuclear power plants.

[Orange Joe]

It's a rather safe assumption that any first-world industrialized nation wouldn't cross that line first.

So again why would the US and not another country?

[Deleted]

Can I tell a cop that if I get busted with drugs? It's ok officer I'm just holding them for someone else.

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what proof do you have those other countries wouldn't?

It would take a huge shift in Government in order for that to happen, at the moment it is impossible due to the way NATO works.

[Rukentuts]

Objection. Germany does NOT have nuclear weapons. There are nuclear weapons on German soil, which do belong to the USA as part of the Nato forces. And they are only at one air base.
Germany is part of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, NPT, and takes it very seriously. Anything Nuclear doesn't fly well with Germans.
We even opted out of nuclear power plants.

Nuclear doesn't fly, until it comes to the benefits of nuclear deterrence. Then it's all good.

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So again why would the US and not another country?

Rich is pointing out that historically the USA has used them first.

No modern industrialized nation would launch first; especially now that the effects are firmly grasped.

[Deleted]

It is surprising this thread is still going. I thought by now everyone knew by now N Korea sabre rattling is their way of saying "Stop ignoring us and give us free stuff."

[Orange Joe]

It would take a huge shift in Government in order for that to happen, at the moment it is impossible due to the way NATO works.

So if nato makes it impossible, how could US do it first?

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/nato_countries.htm

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It is surprising this thread is still going. I thought by now everyone knew by now N Korea sabre rattling is their way of saying "Stop ignoring us and give us free stuff."

Would you ignore some kid saying they are going to shoot up their school?


How is this different?

[Deleted]

So if nato makes it impossible, How could US do it first?

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/nato_countries.htm

The US used Nukes in anger before NATO was formed.

[Orange Joe]

The US used Nukes in anger before NATO was formed.

Aren't we talking about them using nukes now as a first strike?

I mean hell if we want to start bringing up past history......

[Deleted]

im fine with skipping, but dont bring it up.

Didn't bring it up. It's just that calling Israel a stable country calls for an answer man.

[Rukentuts]

The US used Nukes in anger before NATO was formed.

Yeah we're gonna have to agree to disagree there.

[Deleted]

Aren't we talking about them using nukes now as a first strike?

I mean hell if we want to start bringing up past history......

You are a step behind the rest of us I believe. The US won't use a nuke in a first strike nowadays, but they remain the only country in history to do so.

[Deleted]

So if nato makes it impossible, how could US do it first?

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/nato_countries.htm

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Would you ignore some kid saying they are going to shoot up their school?


How is this different?

The USA has shown to be rather... how can I put it... not really bothered much by the international community's opinions.

[Deleted]

Yeah we're gonna have to agree to disagree there.

NATO was formed 4 years after the nukes were used, how can you disagree?

[Rukentuts]

NATO was formed 4 years after the nukes were used, how can you disagree?

I disagree with the "in anger" part specifically.

[Orange Joe]

You are a step behind the rest of us I believe. The US won't use a nuke in a first strike nowadays, but they remain the only country in history to do so.

Where was it used as a first strike? If you mean Japan I'll remind you the first strike was on Pearl Harbor

[Deleted]

I disagree with the "in anger" part specifically.

It is a Military term, meaning to engage the enemy for real.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/le...e/page22.shtml

[Wildtree]

Nuclear doesn't fly, until it comes to the benefits of nuclear deterrence. Then it's all good.

We have no nuclear power plants, we have no nuclear weapons. The nuclear weapons on German soil belong to the USA, get them outta there.... Which in fact will happen, the weapons are 20 Type B61 bombs and should be removed at some point in the future.
The German government demanded the removal of all nuclear weapons from German soil in 2009. More recently in August 2012 the USA offered to modernize the air base, and therefore Germany maintains Tornado Fighter Planes at the base, in case they need to be used... But that's a for now. Initially the air base was supposed to be closed.
Germany has the sovereignty to tell the US to remove their nuclear weapons. This is an ongoing issue and the German people aren't happy with that at all. it long surpassed the fact of annoyance. The war is over since almost 68 years.. At some point the people rightfully say GTFO... Americans are very welcome in Germany. But that doesn't apply to US Military that much anymore. Civilians yes, Army no.

The Soviets removed all their nuclear weapon power from German soil before the reunion happened.
In short, don't make a nuclear power out of Germany, because it isn't.

[Gurushock]

I was reading through the thread to see what people think about all of this... And then it turned into a SC2 thread.

[Deleted]

Where was it used as a first strike? If you mean Japan I'll remind you the first strike was on Pearl Harbor

Different terms apply when talking about non conventional wars, you are just splitting hairs.