In Vanilla it was implied the Syndicate had Argus Wake (a part of the shadow council and thus, the burning legion) support, which is why they had so many warlocks running around, but that plot got dropped.
Shame, it'd have explained why Thrall suddenly wanted the Forsaken to give the Horde a foothold in the EK :P
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Never really cared about the Lore aspect... only thing I cared about was how balanced they could make WoW and they failed.
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Well I agree with what you've said .
Mostly with the Alliance stuff as that's my preferred area .
Yes it's a bit of a shame the other Human Kingdoms get (got in some cases) next to no story notably Stromgarde which didn't exactly fall in great circumstances and continues to not get any development which is further exacerbated by the fact Danath is "apparently" coming back according to that Dwarf although there's been no sign, on top of this it would be nice to re-familiarise ourselves with him before the inevitable meet up with Turalyon. I personally don't mind Stormwind being centre stage at all, I just don't like the fact the other Kingdoms just don't play any where near as of a role as them.
Dwarves need to get their crap together and actually become their own respectable people rather than the Humans little helpers and/or Brann and his "expertise" in Titan related matters. The Council has provided us with great leader development opportunity as well as the respective Dwarf clans themselves. I was personally expecting to see them do more Mogu research given Magni's current issues.
Even though Comedy will always be a part of their race the Gnomes need to show that they're out in force. The Goblins have shown what their kind can accomplish throughout Cata and MoP with their base 5.1. Gnomes need some more serious development. I want to see Mekkatorque show up and act seriously like he did in his short story which was one of the best out of the ones they created.
So on so forth with the other races.....
Ahhh it does feel great to vent I gotta say .
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WC3 left plot holes in individual races that should of been picked up in the expansion. Shame they just made a new storyline instead, then later ended it in Burning Crusade.
How is the list of other races even relevant? The ''ten thousand year old race'' thing wasn't exclusive to Night Elves. And it is kinda petty to fight against the Horde when there's a Firelord about to enter Azeroth that wants to burn down the world tree, and a dragon flying around that's trying to blow up the world. Also, just because Velen walks in and says ''Elune is a Naaru, problem elves?'' doesn't mean she's actually a Naaru, Velen isn't some all-knowing person, it might just be that he misinterpreted some vision he saw about Elune.
Stromgarde and Alterac are in ruins, Lordaeron has been overtaken by the Forsaken, Gilneas is pretty much a warzone, Kul Tiras simply hasn't been added to the game yet.
That leaves Dalaran and Stormwind. Dalaran is more of a mage kingdom while Stormwind is more of a general human kingdom.
Also, Dalaran isn't neutral anymore.
The Warsong Clan was never a clan of noble savages in WC3. Most, if not all, were bloodthirsty warriors.
Lorewise, the Warsong has been pushed out of Ashenvale (or close to being pushed out)
WC3 was more about the Darkspear Tribe fighting for survival, not about looking to get back in power.
The Zandalari made the mistake of trying to regain control over Azeroth, so it's not exactly odd that they're dying. Unless you feel like they should take over Azeroth without anyone defending their own lands.
It's not like they're fighting against the quillboar in the Tauren starting area.
I agree that it's odd for Gallywix to be put back in power, but trade princes usually don't care much about the average goblin. Most of them only care about money.
Considering we have to take the retcon into account, as that's canon now. The Broken were master assassins in WC3, the Draenei weren't.
And Velen doesn't know Elune better than the Night Elves, he just thinks Elune is a Naaru
Perhaps they finally managed to deal with the fact that they're cursed? Or do you want them to be depressed forever, without any race progression?
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1. It's relevant because when the nelfs were introduced being an 'ancient' culture was part of their mystique, them and the trolls being the two oldest known races even helped the Horde/Alliance dichotomy.
2. How is it petty to fight the Horde when they're doing the same thing? Why would they fight the Twilights Hammer forces that muder their people and give the Horde a free pass? If anything it's pretty atrocious of the Horde to take advantage of the commotion in Hyjal to murder more elves when they're trying to save the world... on the other hand the elves shouldn't have claimed literally every forest on Kalimdor if they didn't expect other races to challenge them so /shrug
3. I hope so.
1. That's... kind of my point, this leaves human lore in some pretty shoddy shape.Stromgarde and Alterac are in ruins, Lordaeron has been overtaken by the Forsaken, Gilneas is pretty much a warzone, Kul Tiras simply hasn't been added to the game yet.
That leaves Dalaran and Stormwind. Dalaran is more of a mage kingdom while Stormwind is more of a general human kingdom.
Also, Dalaran isn't neutral anymore.
2. Thing is, it's heavily implied it will be again after the Siege of Orgrimmar which I think is dumb :\
1. You're... kind of missing my point. My issue is with Thrall not reigning them in while they were under his power and still in Ashenvale in Vanilla and such. Yet no one will EVER hold him accountable for that.The Warsong Clan was never a clan of noble savages in WC3. Most, if not all, were bloodthirsty warriors.
Lorewise, the Warsong has been pushed out of Ashenvale (or close to being pushed out)
WC3 was more about the Darkspear Tribe fighting for survival, not about looking to get back in power.
The Zandalari made the mistake of trying to regain control over Azeroth, so it's not exactly odd that they're dying. Unless you feel like they should take over Azeroth without anyone defending their own lands.
2. Again, not the most interesting lore.
3. Not at all, everyone should, my issue is not with the other races reactions but with Blizz's writing. I think it's dumb that the Zandalar, the least blindly aggressive tribe, didn't just explain that they need a new homeland and shack up with the Horde or something, instead they got the villainbat.
It's not like they're fighting against the quillboar in the Tauren starting area.
I agree that it's odd for Gallywix to be put back in power, but trade princes usually don't care much about the average goblin. Most of them only care about money.
Considering we have to take the retcon into account, as that's canon now. The Broken were master assassins in WC3, the Draenei weren't.
And Velen doesn't know Elune better than the Night Elves, he just thinks Elune is a Naaru
Perhaps they finally managed to deal with the fact that they're cursed? Or do you want them to be depressed forever, without any race progression?
1. They are NOW but my issue is with Baine's short story which is chronologically before that. Blizz has made the tauren -painfully- pacifistic. It's getting them killed.
2. Thing is, he wasn't put back in power by the goblins, he was put back in power by THRALL of all people.
3. Again, I hope you're right about Elune but Blizz has made similarly terrible decisions.
4. I want them to be a race with progression that makes SENSE. I'd be totally fine with them going "Undead is great!" if it was explained how they suddenly came to that conclusion and WHY they were okay with it.
Twas brillig
I really like WC3 and find myself doing the story campaigns every blue moon after a long while. Especially during the periods when I'm not playing WoW for months on end. I tend to forget how good WC3 is, once I get going I'm like, YEAh! Then, that inspires me to go play WoW to see if I can find any similarities.
Your post has inspired me to go play and do some comparisons!
lo, I really expected a whining post, but I surprinsingly somewhat agree with it.
It has a bit of over reaction, but yeah... Specially the night elves. They feel a lot different from what we get in WC3. We don't have as much of that "perfect warriors" and "full command of nature" stuff in wow.
I agree that the races are loosing all their sense of mystery ect.
But the development has been pretty good. I don't feel any of the race development has been forced. It's all really good imo.
“The north still reeks of undeath. Our homelands lay in ruin. Pandaria oozes our hatred and doubt. What hope is there for this world when the Burning Legion again lands upon our shores?” - Eric Thibeau
You don't feel the Orcs thing with Garrosh has been regressive? Particularly since Garrosh -didn't want- to lead -specifically because he was afraid of doing something like this, and was raised by Geyah, and the Mag'har, who were -less- bloodthirsty than greenskin orcs...? That his racism that comes out of nowhere doesn't really make any sense?
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