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    The biggest problem with Vizier is convincing people not to run into attenuation discs.

    "OMG guys I think the pattern is different this weeK! I better stop dodging them!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Postaldude View Post
    This only happens if you time the phase switch badly resulting in convert still being on cooldown
    Or if he is about to exhale and transistions. Regardless, it's not a set-in-stone thing that he will do the abilities in that order.

  3. #23
    We killed Lei Shi on Monday night and killed Vizier last night on our 24th pull. We found the fight to be pretty simple with some rng that you just have to overcome.

    NOW to Amber Shaper or Protectors THAT is the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruberduckie View Post
    We killed Lei Shi on Monday night and killed Vizier last night on our 24th pull. We found the fight to be pretty simple with some rng that you just have to overcome.

    NOW to Amber Shaper or Protectors THAT is the question.
    amber shaper is pretty rngy but both fights kinda require the same thing.

    2-3 people you can absolutely rely on for interrupts.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheeseftw View Post
    where would you guys rank Heroic amber Shaper into this
    25m:
    Amber Shaper is much, much harder than Lei Shi and Vizier, and probably around the same difficulty as Protectors. It's one of those "Please don't let it reshape *that guy*" fights.

  6. #26
    Vizier is easy if your raid team learn the Attenuation.

    Watch this video. It got us our kill. I know it's very long but the end phase part of the video is how we got our kill.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrqEcIko9Rs
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    It really depends on the people you bring, in fact both of those fights will test the competence of your raiders:
    While on Ambershaper constant vigilance is needed and one single error can wipe the floor with your Protectors is not less annoying: on the first people need to know what to do in the construct, while on Protectors perfect add handling and interrupt is highly advised, as without that you would have a bad time. We killed Ambershaper first ( before Lei and Prot that is) but it is a bit controlled by a randomfactor: for the firstk ill if you can do that bring the most skilled people, who will not panic when they are suddenly transformed and you should rock on. If you want to go Protectors first the obvious kill order is the following: Kaolan, Regail and then Asani, but you prolly know that already, but be prepeared that you will need good interrupts on Asani throughout the entire fight, cause his waterbolts are crucial. One more thing: Protectors can bug with the Lightning Prison: as it shouldn't ever target 2 healers if you happen to have a Monk as a second healer be alert, that it is possible that they put that and the other healer in stun, stunning them and causing a wipe if you dont act quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marxman View Post
    25m:
    Amber Shaper is much, much harder than Lei Shi and Vizier, and probably around the same difficulty as Protectors. It's one of those "Please don't let it reshape *that guy*" fights.
    Exactly. Even in 10m, If you're using the burn strategy like us and have one of the 2 Healers reshape in P2, it's basically over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dekadez View Post
    Exactly. Even in 10m, If you're using the burn strategy like us and have one of the 2 Healers reshape in P2, it's basically over.
    Get better healers

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruberduckie View Post
    We got Heroic Emperor, Garalon, and Wind Lord this last week and are now 9/16H and started Heroic attempts on Lei She. But we're trying to plan our kill order and I'm wondering what people would recommend: Vizier or Protectors after Lei She?
    Heroic-Elite Protectors is actually extremely easy (much easier than standard Heroic Protectors) if you have solid healers, so that's what I'd recommend. If you aren't confident in your healers, go with Imperial Vizier. Vizier isn't healing intensive if your raid is smart. If both your raid and your healers aren't good, pick one and bang your face into it until it dies.

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