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  1. #321
    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    Teh graph as pointed out is fan made and not from a credible source. Blizzard did not start to report sub loss till after cata but during wotlk keep reporting sub gains
    The blog author details his sources in this post;

    http://mmodata.blogspot.be/2010/07/s...w-numbers.html

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    I predict the sub count is 1.

    I am the only real player. Everyone else is either a bot, Blizzard employee, or very well programmed NPC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    The blog author details his sources in this post;

    http://mmodata.blogspot.be/2010/07/s...w-numbers.html
    I would not say his sources are that credible either

  4. #324
    Quote Originally Posted by BenBos View Post
    More bullshit from benbos
    Wrong the title of this thread is "Subscription predictions for next quarter!" and its about WORLD OF WARCRAFT.

    No one said shit about wow vs "game title here"

    All you do is come into theads white knighting wow and bashing other games. Why in the hell as a mod not banned you yet.

    I have been banned for far less then what you have done.

    No one in this thread gives a shit about other games.

    This is a thread about WOW subscription and only WOW subscription stop derailing threads just because you don't like them.

    and to be clear I have reported you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    How the fuck is he not infracted for non stop derailing trying to make it game vs game? He been warned by a mod once already in this thread

    Other games and F2P model has nothing to do with Subscription predictions for next quarter

    stop trying to derail it Benbos
    that is all he dose and yet mods have not stepped in and banned him is total bullshit. I have been banned for far less then what he dose and I have reported him many times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post

    that is all he dose and yet mods have not stepped in and banned him is total bullshit. I have been banned for far less then what he dose and I have reported him many times.

    I am starting to notice that as well. he done it to like 4 threads and I report him nothing happens.

  6. #326
    Quote Originally Posted by Ichifails View Post
    I'm rather sure you're not silly enough to believe that. The gain from 11.5mil to 12mil was because people expected something new and got smacked in the face. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed WotLK but except for Ulduar I enjoyed it for the people I played it with and not the content. In the BT patch, subs didn't drop to 9mil, the were rising to 9mil, there's a slight difference. WotLK was actually the first expansion WoW started losing people (some to being burnt out because of playing too much in the past years, some didn't enjoy the content, etc). WotLK was only launched in Asia around sept 2010 when we were getting Cataclysm so that's what saved the numbers.

    That being said, I really don't give a rats ass how many people play a game as long as I enjoy playing it. I'm just allergic to bullshit.
    ICC was out for a full year and at the end of WOTLK wow gained 500k subs the lose in subs did not happen until Cata.

    In wows livetime at every moment it has lost and gained subs but in cata it didn't gain any.
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  7. #327
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Wrong the title of this thread is "Subscription predictions for next quarter!" and its about WORLD OF WARCRAFT.

    No one said shit about wow vs "game title here"

    All you do is come into theads white knighting wow and bashing other games. Why in the hell as a mod not banned you yet.

    I have been banned for far less then what you have done.

    No one in this thread gives a shit about other games.

    This is a thread about WOW subscription and only WOW subscription stop derailing threads just because you don't like them.

    and to be clear I have reported you.
    This is a discussion of WOW subscriptions set in the MMO industry. As such WOW subscriptions can not be dissussed without looking at the fact almost everything went FREE to play in this idustry.

    2010/ WOW subscriptions were 12.000.000 in a world where paid subscriptions were STANDARD in AAA MMO's.
    2013 / WOW subscriptions have to COMPETE in a world where FREE to PLAY is the new standard.

    As such this change in the industry deserves to be mentioned AND defended in this thread
    .

    I can imagine that most reknown WOW haters don't like me. I defend this game against them by showing the posters an overall industry view and EVIDENT fact WOW subscriptions are influenced by this change in the industry.
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  8. #328
    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    I am starting to notice that as well. he done it to like 4 threads and I report him nothing happens.
    every single thread that has anything bad to say about WOW/D3 he steps in ignore's everything and posts random shit.

    as I said I have been banned for far less then what he dose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenBos View Post
    This is a discussion of WOW subscriptions set in the MMO industry.
    WOW subscriptions and the MMO industry are 2 different things stop trying to derail the fucken thread so it gets closed.

    This thread is about WOW subs and only WOW subs not F2p other mmos and not about the MMO industry itself.

    stop your white knighting bullshit it has gotten old. In every single D3/WOW thread you have to pop in and stop a flame war and bring other games into it when it had nothing to do with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    every single thread that has anything bad to say about WOW/D3 he steps in ignore's everything and posts random shit.

    as I said I have been banned for far less then what he dose.

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    WOW subscriptions and the MMO industry are 2 different things stop trying to derail the fucken thread so it gets closed.

    This thread is about WOW subs and only WOW subs not F2p other mmos and not about the MMO industry itself.

    I got infracted for far less than what he does as well. Real question is how doe she get away with it

  10. #330
    Quote Originally Posted by BenBos View Post
    This is a discussion of WOW subscriptions set in the MMO industry. As such WOW subscriptions can not be dissussed without looking at the fact almost everything went FREE to play in this idustry.

    2010/ WOW subscriptions were 12.000.000 in a world where paid subscriptions were STANDARD in AAA MMO's.
    2013 / WOW subscriptions have to COMPETE in a world where FREE to PLAY is the new standard.

    As such this change in the industry deserves to be mentioned AND defended in this thread.
    You're annoying, and wrong for that matter. Stop thread shitting.

    More on topic, I don't know why people get their panties in a knot over subscriptions; either way, you'll never see these numbers in game. EU/US have separate servers, as does China.

    Why does any of this matter when you'll only ever see half these numbers, if that.

    I'll never understand why posters like BenBos make it their life's work to zealously defend a game, while putting down everyone else. Just play what you want and have fun.

  11. #331
    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    I would not say his sources are that credible either
    Considering his sources include quotes from Mike Morhaime, Blizzard, Vivendi and The Guinness Book of Records I think they are as credible as we are going to get. There is some evidence in the form of falling activity that towards the end of WOTLK that the release of WOTLK in China offset the loses in Western subs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Considering his sources include quotes from Mike Morhaime, Blizzard, Vivendi and The Guinness Book of Records I think they are as credible as we are going to get. There is some evidence in the form of falling activity that towards the end of WOTLK that the release of WOTLK in China offset the loses in Western subs.

    Links for 11,5m subs on Jan 10 2010 :
    http://seekingalpha.com/article/2036...pt?source=bnet
    and
    http://kotaku.com/5469063/world-of-w...wth-since-2008
    and
    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...-Past-Level-10

    Link for 11,6m subs on may 2009 :
    http://www.blizzplanet.com/blog/comm...record_awards/

    Link for 12m subs on January 2009 :
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL...BrandChannel=0
    and
    http://kotaku.com/5469063/world-of-w...wth-since-2008


    sorry but kotaku, reuters, blizzplanet, escapistmagazine, seekingalpha don't seem like credible scores.

    Blizzard did not report any loss till after cata. I would take Blizzard as a credible source

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    I got infracted for far less than what he does as well. Real question is how doe she get away with it
    to be blunt here lately mods have been lazy.
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  14. #334
    Maybe you guys should stop worrying about a possible infraction for a guy and just get back on topic? Complaining about him in itself is derailing the thread.
    I just want to keep the thread open long enough to hit the 7th.

  15. #335
    Quote Originally Posted by BenBos View Post
    This is a discussion of WOW subscriptions set in the MMO industry. As such WOW subscriptions can not be dissussed without looking at the fact almost everything went FREE to play in this idustry.

    2010/ WOW subscriptions were 12.000.000 in a world where paid subscriptions were STANDARD in AAA MMO's.
    2013 / WOW subscriptions have to COMPETE in a world where FREE to PLAY is the new standard.

    As such this change in the industry deserves to be mentioned AND defended in this thread
    .

    I can imagine that most reknown WOW haters don't like me. I defend this game against them by showing the posters an overall industry view and EVIDENT fact WOW subscriptions are influenced by this change in the industry.
    it isnt the WoW haters that dont like you BenBos. its everyone. you derail threads posting the same tired lines again and again and again. adding nothing to any discussion you choose to interrupt. please, for the sake of both sides, give it up.

    Stop the off-topic posting
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    The volume of new game features and content in MoP is a direct consequence of people cancelling subscriptions during Cataclysm. You're welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Challenger! View Post
    You're annoying, and wrong for that matter. Stop thread shitting.

    More on topic, I don't know why people get their panties in a knot over subscriptions; either way, you'll never see these numbers in game. EU/US have separate servers, as does China.

    Why does any of this matter when you'll only ever see half these numbers, if that.

    I'll never understand why posters like BenBos make it their life's work to zealously defend a game, while putting down everyone else. Just play what you want and have fun.

    people who make their likes work to zealously defend a game, while putting down everyone else are what you call fanboys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    to be blunt here lately mods have been lazy.

    I noticed that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    I am starting to notice that as well. he done it to like 4 threads and I report him nothing happens.
    He is not breaking any rules.

    The thread is about WoW-subnumbers.
    Those numbers are useless in a vacuum: They need to be placed in context.
    And if that context is that all competitors have almost no monthly paying subscribers, than WoW is doing extremely well no matter what the new numbers are.
    In his last posts he isn't bashing any other game.

    Something that is against the rules however, is bashing a user instead of addressing his arguments and discussing moderator-actions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    Bullshit. The legion of fanbois sure are sensitive about ANYcriticism
    Link me some decent criticism that gets attacked and you might have a point.

  18. #338
    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    Maybe you guys should stop worrying about a possible infraction for a guy and just get back on topic? Complaining about him in itself is derailing the thread.
    I just want to keep the thread open long enough to hit the 7th.
    I agree.

    And on topic I feel it is ether going to be a small gain or a huge lose due to AP finally ending and people upset about PVP/daily's/CRZ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    Maybe you guys should stop worrying about a possible infraction for a guy and just get back on topic? Complaining about him in itself is derailing the thread.
    I just want to keep the thread open long enough to hit the 7th.
    Or maybe he should be dealt with

    Stop the off-topic posting
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  20. #340
    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    Links for 11,5m subs on Jan 10 2010 :
    http://seekingalpha.com/article/2036...pt?source=bnet
    and
    http://kotaku.com/5469063/world-of-w...wth-since-2008
    and
    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...-Past-Level-10

    Link for 11,6m subs on may 2009 :
    http://www.blizzplanet.com/blog/comm...record_awards/

    Link for 12m subs on January 2009 :
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL...BrandChannel=0
    and
    http://kotaku.com/5469063/world-of-w...wth-since-2008


    sorry but kotaku, reuters, blizzplanet, escapistmagazine, seekingalpha don't seem like credible scores.

    Blizzard did not report any loss till after cata. I would take Blizzard as a credible source
    Those articles include quotes from the sources I mentioned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    I got infracted for far less than what he does as well. Real question is how doe she get away with it
    You know this will happen and we cannot discuss why.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    He is not breaking any rules.

    The thread is about WoW-subnumbers.
    Those numbers are useless in a vacuum: They need to be placed in context.
    And if that context is that all competitors have almost no monthly paying subscribers, than WoW is doing extremely well no matter what the new numbers are.
    In his last posts he isn't bashing any other game.

    Something that is against the rules however, is bashing a user instead of addressing his arguments and discussing moderator-actions.
    Game vs game discussion is not allowed on these boards. I am sure that if some one mentioned that WOW was going to lose subs to another a game you would be reaching for the report button.

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