Yes, over time people will normalize to their proper ranking given their skill level and such, but lower elo's tend to fluctuate far more dramatically overall. Even if you'll find trolls and such everywhere, you get a higher concentration at the lower levels (If you're a feeder, or you can't work with a team, the chances of you rising are reduced), and seeing as they can easily throw a game it is easier to win or lose games that you should not have otherwise. So I wouldn't describe elo hell as being stuck in one place forever, but more a place of drastic fluctuations in wins and losses. You might get through them without any difficulty whatsoever, or you might get stuck for weeks or months because of bad luck in key games.
As for people talking about losing because of teammates.... teach them. I tend to be extremely optimistic and helpful in games, engaging in small talk and such, and I notice a dramatic increase in coordination and such from that. If you're at least slightly involved with talking to people, you're more likely to call out when your lane disappears, or you're running off to grab blue when the enemy may be lurking in your jungle. A truly good player is going to be able to rally his team rather than gripe about it.
Last edited by Kasierith; 2013-02-05 at 02:41 AM.
There are plenty of videos out there that detail why there is no such thing as Elo hell,if you are not the problem, than simply playing games will eventually get you out. However, if you are the problem than you won't escape.
I completely agree. However, the issue is that even if my duo partner is the same skill or better, and we both are fed and have little to no deaths, we cannot 2v5, especially if that 5 is fed, even if they suck. Both teams can suck major ass. Just because they may all suck whereas only 3 on your team sucks doesn't mean you automatically win because those 3 people are still holding you back as a team, whereas you're essentially 2 people versus 8, and they (the enemy) has just as many chances to have someone good than bad. I make no claim it is only and always my team that sucks. However, it is only when my team fails where it matters.
I'm in Silver Division V, and lost my series match to get into Division IV.
I believe I am where I belong, but I did get one AFK'er in my third Series game, which sucked.
Being better is your ticket out of Bronze.
The only way out of Bronze is to reach Bronze 1, then win your 5 matches, and you get promoted to Silver 5! Congratulations!
OP should change the title to "The only easy way to get out of bronze ..." because that's what he is talking about. Being at 1.1k elo means you are not very good. And if you are not very good the only way you can get out of bronze easily is with luck. Other option is to play a lot of games.
My part in this story has been decided. And I will play it well.
Fixed that.
Seriously, how can people not understand this? Some people here have already explained why elo hell does in fact not exist. Here's a movie to watch if you're too stubborn to listen to the people here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MTO2a7ZFcc
Do I often think games got thrown because my teammates suck? Yes I do! A lot. However...it should happen less often in your own team than in the enemy team (if you're actually good)
I haven't played ranked since s1, approximately how many games do you have to win to get up a league/division? From what people are saying it sounds like the new system is a hell of a grind, all the pro players have taken hundreds of games since s3 started and they obviously are winning a really high % since they are top diamond level players and all that... Just getting to gold seems like itd be a huge grind of hundreds of silver /bronze elo games...
e: sorry slightly OT, but the thread is basically just a whinge thread anyway ;P
Last edited by Sylla; 2013-02-05 at 10:56 AM.
It doesn't take as many games as people say. Assuming you win all your games, it's only ~7 games to move up a Division and ~8 games to move up a Tier.
By moving up a Division, I mean going from Bronze III to Bronze II or from Gold V to Gold IV, etc.
By moving up a tier I mean going from Bronze I to Silver V or Gold I to Platinum V.
Assuming a 60% win rate it'll take 11 games to move up a Division and 13 games for a Tier.
That's 57 games in total to go from the bottom of Silver V all the way to Gold V. To me, that seems alright.
EDIT: The 57 games is without factoring in how winning affects your MMR, which in turn affects your LP gains, effectively reducing the amount of games needed.
Look in the other thread.
The screw you is because he insulted me.
The other thread is http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-division-tier
Last edited by mmoc13485c3c3f; 2013-02-05 at 04:44 PM.
Since multiple threads were created about the same topic and have largely gone off topic, please use the New Ranking system thread for all discussion concerning the new ranking system.