Man, when I was 10 I raided my brothers bedroom for fireworks just so we had actual "grenades" to play soldier with.
Or we played soccer where if you would get played through the legs, you were free to get kicked by everybody untill you reached the safe zone which was guarded by at least 5 people ready to kick you on the shin or if you were unlucky, your nuts. And this was on the schoolyard while teachers were present.
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basically I was just trying to say that the kind of organized activities like those you took part in, or the previous suggestion of boxing, teach consequence and responsibility that would mitigate some of the problems mentioned in this thread
I like to paraphrase a famous line for this sorta thing.
"When good men are ALLOWED to do nothing evil flourishes"
more extreme than is required using the term evil but it still applies. Essentially i feel we have moved froma period where good men might choose not to act to instead not even being ALLOWED to anymore.
Thus creating an apathetic society. Also probably one reason the idea of standing up for/protecting others has become negative as well as increased passivity and various other issues.
In essence we are creating a large number of social problems by trying to solve things that have gone on for millenia.
Ok, I see your point but as Sorrior brought up in another situation, sometimes the way to deal with it was for faculty to simply go " Well Not at School" and the bully might proceed to beat the shit out of some kid off school grounds.
My experience and this is my own bias, but from what i seen useally the bully i experienced, was the pack mentality, sometimes having that notion that EVERYBODY is in on it or against you always seem to me to be a more powerful motivator, one that maybe could be used for good, and maybe snuff out some of these altercations before they start or maybe manage a way to focus the aggression in less destructive ways.
It looks like a big part of USA thinks the best way to live is armed to the teeth in a prison they build for themself. That's paranoia.
- Thaelin: I pooped
- Hansel: My beer died
I think you summed up a lot of this very well in tha sentiment. I think the notion kids get that nobody gives a real shit is kind of strong now days. Back when I was growing up, I know it i, I mean you had people, but outside of lip service i never got the impression they really cares or were able to.
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That is true, but the other problem is WHY is this kid parent or not bringing a gun to school to solve their problem.
I was once talking to an abuse victim(trapped in sucha relationship_) and i would've given almost nothing more then to be able to go all 1930s on his ass and beat the shit outta him for harming another person like that..Old fashioned and barbaric perhaps but this guy was messed up picked her up and started abusing her at 15 when she ran away guys like that make me sick.
So yeah then our government is basically inciting fear instead of hope as we once did..I think it started during the cold war.
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Anyways these days i'm good know what to watch for and how to stay in control should anything happen but still scared. Though the REAL point is that we've destroyed Independence through our pursuit of the supposed utopia of safety.
Ok, what if the kid pretended to pull a grenade, and tossed it and pretended to kill everybody, but yelled a bigoted remark, not knowing any better either way, would you still feel the same?
This is a totally hypothetical, but if I was a principle, if I had to put it down, I would for sure hide that fact, I wouldn't want this kid pegged as some sort of racist the rest of his life, or parents to recieve death threats, maybe just chaulk it up to this.
Again, Maybe there is more to it, what actually happened was bad enough to suspend him, but not enough to want this kid or his parents to be tagged with a label they can never shake.
After a while you just learned to keep your legs closed while playing soccer or just take the pain and ram through to the safe zone. And of course a few would kick back the kickers so basically they would have free reign haha.
Anyways, I am 30 but even I start to sound like a grumpy old man already. I walked alone to school when I was 8 or so and after school I would just go hang out at the park with the rest of the kids or just go home with a friend. My mom wouldn't even know where I was. I would just come home when it was 6 oclock. None of those play dates etc.
I also remember the first time I heard somebody got grounded (he shoplifted some candy or so). I was probably 12 or 13 already. I couldn't really understand how it was punishment because there was no jailcell to keep you in. How can they stop you from walking out the door? I still got the old fashioned punishment and for shoplifting I knew I would get beat the crap out of me. I specificall remember the concept of "grounding" was really foreign to me. I would get the crap beaten out if I teased some kid in school or so and this kid shoplifted and had to play video games at home for a week.
Anyways, I don't know what the hell happened in 20 years time but even though half the kids seem to do well with this new kind of teaching, the other knows how to play the rules to their advantage and is bossing over their classmates, teachers and even their parents. But they will just get their ritalin eventually.
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In America today, every 25 fucking seconds someone is viciously raped,
someone is brutally violated; 250 times a day someone is murdered,
someone's life is taken,
This is America,
This is America,
and I love America,
I love America!
I visit it every year as an anthropological zoo :-)
Boys playing soldier or cowboy and indian or cops and robbers... Hell, even girls played along. What the fuck is wrong when kids can't even do that, but at 18 they can go out and buy an assault rifle for the hell of it. Then they can "play" for real
-=Z=- Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek! -=Z=-
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