Ensuring A New American Century

[mvaliz]

I'd rather ensure a New Earth Century than any one singular country...

[Kraenen]

Nope.avi

Liberalism and big government are what got America into so much trouble.

liberalism is the opposite of big government....lol

[Pitkanen]

When it comes to every citizen owning a gun I don't think it should be mandatory as I think someone should have the right to willingly sacrifice their personal security by refusing to own one, with that said I think if it was assumed everyone had a gun the crime rates would go down.

Crime from strangers "may" drop. Though it is impossible to correlated "%ofpopulation with gun" to "violent crime" truly scientifically since living in a area with high crime will make you feel like you need one more.

Suicide rates and accidental gun deaths, and things like that Jan20,2013 new mexico incident where the 15yr old shot up his family (2 parents, 3 siblings) would increase however. Remember, there is no restrictions to gun ownership that require guns to be secured.

[kleinlax21]

liberalism is the opposite of big government....lol

The previous poster doubtlessly associates liberal with Democrat, as most people in our country do.

It's ironic because Republicans/Conservatives are technically more liberal (using the European definition of the word) than Democrats/American Liberals.

Us Americans just like to muck up political lexicon for shits and giggles. Also, screw the metric system.

[cyqu]

The only part I agree with is the free, nationalised healthcare part, the UK has the NHS, which is probably the best healthcare system in the world, and it works great.

However, in a civilised, first world country such as America, I do not believe that military conscription is necessary, that's for the more primitive countries such as Israel and North Korea(who even force their women to serve),who need all of the numbers they can get.

I strongly disagree with the part about every citizen being forced to own a gun, I mean that's just acting for trouble.

the UK's health system isn't even the best in Europe lol

[cyqu]

I'd rather ensure a New Earth Century than any one singular country...

^^ this please

[atollon]

The compulsory military service doesn't make a ton of sense. What's the point? We already have a ridiculously strong military. We don't need the man power that having a few million extra people would provide, nor do we have the money to pay for those personnel. The anti-tyrant/dictator line of reasoning is ridiculous. The US government isn't nearly stagnant enough for a tyrant to rise without some world-changing catastrophe.

Saying everyone has to own a gun is no different than saying no one can own a gun. It's just not going to work.

The conservative United Nations idea seems rather pointless as well. The United Nations is already pretty useless by itself, since it has no real power to do anything. A second one won't help. (and if the United Nations appears strongly liberal to you OP, its because that's how the majority of countries lean, a new one won't change that unless membership is limited to "conservative" countries.)

Education is and always has been the way to prosperity. It leads to marketable innovation, and is what makes a country rich in the long term.

[Deleted]

I see you have put a lot of work in this, congrats (no really, nice work)
I somewhat disagree with you on a lot of points tough and I'll admit that I didn't read everything.
I noticed how in your view America is the center of the world, I can tell you for a fact that it is not, because 80% of the world does not live in America.

Also, giving every civilian a gun in order to make the big bad government scared is flawed, in order to make the federal US government scared you should arm every civilian with a bomb capable of destroying a district at least.

You also said that a strong military should be a big focus, how does that cope with your gun argument?

[Maelle]

As a European the though of America "dominating" and pulling the rest of the world into line makes me cringe on about 805 levels

[Deleted]

It's a fact that gun rights lower crime, but that's not why I support requiring everyone to bear arms. I support requiring the people to bear arms to stop and keep in check the worst murder of all time, government.

Its a fact? How come most of the western world isn't ruled by crimelords? (well I can make a joke about politicians, but people tend to take jokes and sarcasm as facts on this forum)

[Kraenen]

Its a fact? How come most of the western world isn't ruled by crimelords? (well I can make a joke about politicians, but people tend to take jokes and sarcasm as facts on this forum)

i wonder if he knows the government isn't a person, like corporations...

[Deleted]

As a European the though of America "dominating" and pulling the rest of the world into line makes me cringe on about 805 levels

Also a point that made my but clench to the point that I can barely unclench it

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i wonder if he knows the government isn't a person, like corporations...

Everybody knows corporations are good for the economy, so they would never harm society in the name of profit

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The previous poster doubtlessly associates liberal with Democrat, as most people in our country do.

It's ironic because Republicans/Conservatives are technically more liberal (using the European definition of the word) than Democrats/American Liberals.

Us Americans just like to muck up political lexicon for shits and giggles. Also, screw the metric system.

Whats also funny is that democrats are seen as a leftish party, in Europe they would be seen as central-right

[Kraenen]

Also a point that made my but clench to the point that I can barely unclench it

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Everybody knows corporations are good for the economy, so they would never harm society in the name of profit

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Whats also funny is that democrats are seen as a leftish party, in Europe they would be seen as central-right

for what reason are the dems center right? anti-gun, pro choice, higher taxes, more welfare...those dont seem very right to me

[Zhangfei]

for what reason are the dems center right? anti-gun, pro choice, higher taxes, more welfare...those dont seem very right to me

Anti-gun isn't a "left-right" divide issue. Pro choice isn't either. Higher taxes is contextual, as is welfare. I'd suggest they're centre-right (as in, proper liberals) compared to the grand scale, where communism is left and anarchism is right. It's not like their policy is to shut down the free markets and/or buy all the means of production, or even raise tax rates or give welfare like Scandinavians do.

[Kraenen]

Anti-gun isn't a "left-right" divide issue. Pro choice isn't either. Higher taxes is contextual, as is welfare. I'd suggest they're centre-right (as in, proper liberals) compared to the grand scale, where communism is left and anarchism is right. It's not like their policy is to shut down the free markets and/or buy all the means of production, or even raise tax rates or give welfare like Scandinavians do.

communism is anarchism...it doesn't seem like you've thought this "left-right" divide through.

[Deleted]

I do think your ideas are fairly okay, I like obligatory military conscription and NHS. However, I do not like that America should be the very center and the ones "leading the world". Can't say that the belief that a single country shall somehow lead the way for every other country in almost everything is very healthy. A developed one is one of cooperation. Also, no way we can develop a better world if we keep putting ideas in the "left" and "right"-categories and instead see what's practical.

[Metallikiddd]

Nope.avi

Liberalism and big government are what got America into so much trouble.

Its the rich greedy asshole CEO's, VP's, politicians and whatnot that fucked it all up. All these damn crooked businessmen (bankers no doubt) and the people at the top of the corporate giants need to stop the cheap greedy BS. Priority 1 in the US is to keep the backbone strong. That means making sure the middle class don't get shafted into oblivion. Without them it will all goto hell.

[Kraenen]

Its the rich greedy asshole CEO's, VP's, politicians and whatnot that fucked it all up. All these damn crooked businessmen (bankers no doubt) and the people at the top of the corporate giants need to stop the cheap greedy BS. Priority 1 in the US is to keep the backbone strong. That means making sure the middle class don't get shafted into oblivion. Without them it will all goto hell.

but what will you say when someone argues "you aren't forced to use that bank, or that business, so just spend your money elsewhere and the free market will weed them out"?

[Algearond]

Not a bad post at all, you really put a lot of work into that, overall I agree.

I especially like how you acknowledge the global shift/split between the two thought processes, traditional American capitalism versus UN dominated socialism.

Hopefully we make the right choice and go against the UN.

[Kraenen]

Not a bad post at all, you really put a lot of work into that, overall I agree.

I especially like how you acknowledge the global shift/split between the two thought processes, traditional American capitalism versus UN dominated socialism.

Hopefully we make the right choice and go against the UN.

how is the UN socialist?