Yeah. Using the spreadsheet that that guy posted to calculate the value of 5.0/1 trinkets, H TiTM 2/2 is ~ 8164.48 while rentaki's soul charm is 8183.12. H bottle 2/2 is ~9017.55. H rentaki's is at 9240.15.
The H trinkets actually look like a loss too. It looks like we are keeping H Bottle/TiTM 2/2 until heroic modes. The only trinket that I'm 100% positive of it being a dps increase is the shado pan trinket. The rune is odd, need more calculations and whatnot on it. The BiS trinkets based on my calculations for H will most likely be:
H Talisman of Bloodlust + Vicious Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault. With H Bottle/TiTM 2/2 being the next best things. If the rune actually ends up being good then it would probably be H Talisman of Bloodlust + H Rune of Re-origination.
i am looking at things the same way. I have been unlucky as hell with elegon, hes never given me a trinket, i have seen 2 drops in 10 attempts using a coin every time. I did not get either trinket. So i t looks like my first new valor purchase will be the rep trinket which i will keep hold of for quite some time it seems.
I read through all of this thread trying to figure out what trinkets will be BiS...Upgrades in normal or best upgrades to take from this tier. You guys did a lot of good explaining but damn I am still just as confused as before.
I currently still run with the bottle normal, which I guess I will replace with the valor trinket and the Relic which I will replace with Bad JuJu or Rentaki's?
The rune proc just blows my mind, can that even be simmed properly anywhere yet?
Just a point of clarification- haste procs are actually simulated within the shot breakdown. Crit and mastery procs are averaged over the course of the fight. The way I currently have the rune modeled, it is only using your base stats before procs to determine which stat will be procced and the quantity added and subtracted, then basically models each of the 3 stat procs as if they are individual trinket procs. So there are periods in the simulation where your base haste rating will go to 0 (assuming no other procs are currently active) but you're right in that it doesn't model the fact that the one stat is up when the other two are down, which decreases the value of the proc. It also doesn't model the way other procs might interact with it. I haven't looked yet to see how simulationcraft dps is coming out for the trinket, presumably it can model the RPPM trinkets a lot more accurately.
I should also note that although I have a basic RPPM model implemented on my site, there are some severe limitations to how accurately I can simulate. One particular issue is that I have to estimate the trinket proc rates before I actually know the actual ability use frequency (for any stat except mastery which I can calculate later), so I'm estimating the attacks per second which means in some cases they'll be inaccurate. I also really haven't had time to evaluate in detail whether my current implementation is ideal- I need to find some time to compare results with simc and probably write some basic sim tests to see whether my uptimes are falling within expected ranges.
So that's just a note to take any trinket results on my site with a heavy grain of salt right now.
i have relic 2/2 and heroic bottle 2/2. When i replace relic with shado pan trink i gain like 250 dps according to FD (even when i reforge accordingly). Eh, silly how good that relic is or how other trinkets are shit.
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hi guys, the patch is coming this week then i have a question atm i have the Darkmoon Trinket upgraded, and a trinket from the heroics(drop scholomance) for someone like me what kind of trinkets should acquire? i have dual spec Bm/Sv. from the info of this post i think talisman of blood and the trinket from the new reputation right?
why do u think Vicious Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault will be bis before H ? acording to my FD its even worst than Darkmoon trinket...
Do we know what 2 will be BiS yet, or is it still too early to tell?
According to my calculations it should be (take with a grain of salt since we will actually have to see)
Normal: H bottle of infinite stars 2/2, Vicious Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault
H: This one is iffy, but it should be Vicious Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault, H Talisman of Bloodlust. If the rune actually ends up being good (which I doubt) it should be replacing one of the two.