'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
And there they lay I damn me eyes
All lookouts clapped on Paradise
All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
How some of you can say that "We are animals, and cant just stop". I dont get it, i would say that "that's weak", while someone who do stop is "stronger" mentally.
But then im not really sure... As a personal experience, i was in a "party after the club" (not sure the english word). Anyway i was making out with a woman and one thing> to another, touching etc. Then she was maybe alittle "defensive" as to remove my hand, but still smiling/laughing, but she didnt stop touching me etc, or try to get away from me. When i treid to take her pants off, she said no, so i stopped with the pants, but didnt stop kissing etc (and neither did she) anyway alittle later i did sleep with her, and a 2nd time during the night/morning. (didnt try to stop me, say no etc). But in the morning/day she said, that she wished she hadnt slept with me, and that she felt like a slut.
Now ^ that is not "forcing", if she would get angry, or sad and telling me no, then i would have stopped, but she was smiling and "teasing". I have experienced once a woman said "no" in a serious tone. I got angry, might have called her some words, but did walk away. (Because, she was just teasing, as in pretending she wants to fuck, then when it comes to it, says no)
“The worst thing I can be is the same as everybody else. I hate that.”
Huuuuh, I'm getting tired I guess. I thought godwin's law also applied to certain types of circular reasoning, forgot it was all about nazis... Anyway, that doesn't take away from the validity of any of my points. You're convinced you right just cause you're right and that's basically circular reasoning. Anyways, I'm tired and losing steam and talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. I don't know if you're a religious person but you'd make a really good Jehovah's witness with your mentality.
So let's just agree to disagree, if that something you can even do.
Aeluron is annoying because he's like the typical vulture who relies on others to weaken or kill his prey before he comes down with his little pecks.
Last edited by Arganis; 2013-02-11 at 11:41 PM.
Facilis Descensus Averno
I believe that you made a mistake in your presentation that led to you saying something that you did not imply. Talking about a "grey area" implies strongly that you are talking about ambiguity, specifically moral ambiguity. A topic where there is more than two or more absolute, defined points with no crossovers between them. In terms of this, in an absolute sense there are two categories: rape is right, and rape is wrong. You were discussing two points where rape is wrong - motivated by a desire for control, and motivated by a lack of control over yourself (although I believe Endus is asserting that these two are intrinsically connected on a basal level, although they are expressed in different ways). So this would be XX. For YY, rape is always right you have, well.. I can't really think about a situation, and don't really want to. When you say there is a gray area, you say that there is XY, a motivation that is sometimes right and sometimes wrong. When you do this by using the term "grey area," you are suggesting that Y is possible and it is possible for rape to be justified.
There are not that many reasons that motivates rape.
You have rapes that are about power and dominance.
You have rapes that are about humiliation.
You have rapes that about about opportunity; drunk / passed out girl/guy.
You have rapes that are "well I am horny".
You also have rapes that are all or a combination of the first four reasons.
Then we have the excuses for rape.
She was a whore/slut.
She lead me on.
I could not stop myself.
She wanted it.
Or other variations of "It is not my fault, really".
In the end a person who would rape another person is a monster no matter what the reason or motivation behind the action is.
To those who say that rape is bad, yet still providing justifications for it, I must ask... why? You've admitted that it's wrong. You've said that certain people just aren't right in the head. You're basically saying the same thing that every other person in this thread in this thread has said which is that rapists aren't right in the head and that it's an atrocious act, so why keep trying to supply justifications and excuses for the act?
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Has anyone said that rape isn't bad or wrong? I'm not being a smartass here, I'm just curious because I haven't seen anyone say that rape is a good thing. However, I've seen people read into certain posts far to deep to elevate themselves as heroes. (Not aimed towards you)
English technically isn't my first language, sometimes I misuse terminology I think is right because in my original tongue it has a certain meaning that works but in english it does not. Anyways, truth I simply shouldn't be writing anymore because I'm too tired to pay attention to detail and that detracts from I'm trying to convey with mistakes like Godwin and apparently this.
Facilis Descensus Averno
Men certainly are guilty of rape, but not to the extreme that all woman need to assume a man will rape them (I am a man and i never raped, or even thought of raping anyone). Also, women are guilty of gold digging, but of course not all of them, at least not to the extent that men should assume that all women are gold diggers. My point here is that one should approach everything with an open mind and not assume the worst. I believe the OP made reference to some women being told that they should assume all men are rapists. Which of course is not the case as you pointed out. My point was directed at the people who subscribe to the belief that all men should be viewed as potential rapists. I was pointing out the ridiculousness of that theory. Also, to assume all woman are unable to defend themselves against an attacker is wrong. Its not like "hey, Im going to rape you and there is nothing you can do about." Also, as pointed out in another thread: a man can also rape a man. Yet, I as a man dont view all men as potential rapists.
Alright then. Just asking since most people seem to confuse justification with reasons to why it happens.
I've seen some posts (and my own) saying *This is why it happens* just to later be accused of condoning such actions simply because one recognizes the reason why such actions happen.
Last edited by mmoc098be2d235; 2013-02-11 at 11:52 PM.
Well, I don't think that anyone is trying to justify rape.
Just that people are trying to clarify the thought process of a would be rapist and it is being misconstrued as justification of rape.
I mean, I don't really care either way. By some people's definition of the word rapist, I'm a rapist because I let the pizza boy freeze for a few minutes.