Some guilds have cleared every boss on HC, and are bored, some have barely gotten past the first couple. If we listen to the arguments of "I need to clear the bosses first!" people, nothing will get released for 1-2 years.
The logic your trying to show here is flawed, because content is cleared at differing rates by differing people. Honestly, 4 months is MORE than enough for people to clear and push through the content. Ultimately, it comes down to the people you play with, if they cannot clear it, how is that Blizzards problem?
Saying "Don't rush stuff else there will be bugs!" is also a fallacy. There will be bugs and balancing issues regardless of how long they leave it on the PTR. Ultimately, as I said, if people haven't cleared the stuff after 4 months, that is there problem, not Blizzards, and you shouldn't expect an entire demograph of players to be kept waiting because El Crappo guild is still trying to get off Sha normal.
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People have had MORE than enough time, they really have, they just cannot see it is all.
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that is the point in a nutshell. it is not the 4 million people who are complete and ready for more it is the couple thousand which puts it clearly in perspective.
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The point still rings true though, if people haven't cleared said content by this time, then it is their responsibility and error, not Blizzards who are armed with data that says "Yes, it's time to release".
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There are more than just raid guilds in WoW, and it's high time people remembered that.
This prejudice on Blizzard's part explains, I think, why there are far more WoW ex-players than WoW players. The game is a giant bait and switch.
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"Almost every time I have gotten to know a critic personally, they keep up with the criticism but lose the venom." -- Ghostcrawler
I hate these casual Fridays ruining it for real Fridays.
That said I don't believe that there is any reason to delay the patch for a few thousand raiders.
Last edited by Pann; 2013-02-14 at 08:40 PM.
Fair enough, and no one can say they werent warned, and it does work to keep the whole show on the road. Not too sure the Bobby Koticks of the world want it that way or if it's the best approach to such a mass market product. But what do I know? Not a lot.
I'm in a guild who is still halfway into normals , not even talking about heroics. We had plenty of roster problems and we just started raiding recently , so completing T14 before the patch is out of the question. BUT , i'm still happy the next patch comes out early , although I probably wont have any FOS's. That's because it will give us even more motivation to push through , we will have something to look forward too , an awesome big new raid and a lot of new content to keep our guys satisfied despite our poor progression.
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Perhaps now, instead of using the bar mark as "WHo has completed the hardest bosses this tier?" and reaching a threshold, maybe they are thinking "Who has seen *all* the bosses this tier?" and adjusting accordingly. I have noticed personally LFR queues have gone up, so perhaps people are bored of those and want to try new things.
This is the first proper tier we have had for LFR, so it has thrown a lot of different things into the mix, raiders just have to realise the world doesn't revolve around them anymore. This tier patch also brings a LOT more dailies for people and new plot, so Blizzard are catering to far more than just a smallish raid group set now.
To analogise it to SC2 - it would be like releasing HoTS before 70% of people had finished wings main campaign on normal.
As other posters have said, maybe a better solution would have been easier tuning if this was the timeframe they were working off.
Besides, if tiers are not at least 7-8 months long, you WILL end up with the last tier lasting nearly 1 year again, assuming there are 3 tiers over 21 months (length of shortest expansion, cataclysm).
I think that LFR is a great addition to the game but the rate at which players consume content using LFR is at odds with the rate at which Blizzard releases it and the rate organised raiders complete it. This is an issue that Blizzard really need to get a handle on or they risk losing further subs as LFR people become bored waiting for the next tier to be released.
The hardcore raid community, also, need to decide what they want it is no good saying that they want content to be difficult and exclusive but then requesting extra time when they find out they are not part of that elite that can clear the content.
my problem with the patch coming so soon is that it makes this pvp season the shortest in wow's history. shit, i know people who have a decent rating who havent even been able to get fully upgraded mal t1 yet, never mind shootign for t2. and with all the massive imbalance and problems still rampant on the ptr with class balance and whatnot in pvp, pushing this patch soo soon is a major mistake and will cost blizzard a ton of subs. they really need to concentrate on fixing thngs that are seriously broken (like severe class imbalance) instead of tryign to invent solutions for problems that really dont exist (like removing t2 and all that bullshit).