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  1. #541
    Quote Originally Posted by GreatSageCorban View Post
    In a way it is a tax. It just comes at you from an indirect method.
    In what way? A way that suits your argument, regardless of reality? It does not pay for anything but this program, it doesn't gather debt, it doesn't go to pay for Medicare, it doesn't reflect our taxation in any way. The indirect way, is not a tax, but passing the buck on the consumer. If you were not willing to pay for the extra cost, they would recoup it in other means, to keep you a customer. To reflect that as a tax, would mean you have to move.

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatSageCorban View Post
    Then you are for what I stated. Those who are the 1% make their income from capital gains, and not from wages. What everyone should be calling for is lower income tax across the board, (IE: the method in which some might acquire the wealth to become rich.) and then create a tiered tax for capital gains in such a fashion that it does not hurt those in retirement, but does take from those who are investing extremely large sums of money.
    I really don't see it. If I implemented a tax, I'd have people pay a percentage of all taxes that parallel the percentage of total wealth. If you control .01 percent of wealth, you pay .01 of total taxes. As simple as that... I would not care how the wealth was generated...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya420 View Post
    In what way? A way that suits your argument, regardless of reality? It does not pay for anything but this program, it doesn't gather debt, it doesn't go to pay for Medicare, it doesn't reflect our taxation in any way. The indirect way, is not a tax, but passing the buck on the consumer. If you were not willing to pay for the extra cost, they would recoup it in other means, to keep you a customer. To reflect that as a tax, would mean you have to move.
    Are you trying to say it isn't a tax? I don't see what your arguing. Someone made the assertion that it was paid for by the Utyx. I was correcting this fact. It's paid for by their customers. the Utyx is just the middle man. It's instituted by the government, and that's why I call it a tax. I'd have the same opinion if the Government had a law that all shoe companies had to provide shoes for the unemployed or low income. Nike wouldn't pay for this, their customers would. If your fine paying for it, whatever. That's completely beside this point.
    I really don't see it. If I implemented a tax, I'd have people pay a percentage of all taxes that parallel the percentage of total wealth. If you control .01 percent of wealth, you pay .01 of total taxes. As simple as that... I would not care how the wealth was generated...
    Well right now I think cap gains is a flat 20%. What income annual is rich to you?

  3. #543
    Quote Originally Posted by Tinykong View Post
    So, the consumer determines what a vet gets paid, but both suppliers and consumers determine the price of goods?
    Never said the consumer decides i said the market decides (exact quote "The market determines what a vet gets paid") and the market consist both the consumer and the producer

  4. #544
    Quote Originally Posted by GreatSageCorban View Post
    Are you trying to say it isn't a tax? I don't see what your arguing. Someone made the assertion that it was paid for by the Utyx. I was correcting this fact. It's paid for by their customers. the Utyx is just the middle man. It's instituted by the government, and that's why I call it a tax. I'd have the same opinion if the Government had a law that all shoe companies had to provide shoes for the unemployed or low income. Nike wouldn't pay for this, their customers would. If your fine paying for it, whatever. That's completely beside this point.
    If we are just going to pick and choose what we call a tax, what's the point? It is not tax... Regardless of your opinion...


    Quote Originally Posted by GreatSageCorban View Post
    Well right now I think cap gains is a flat 20%. What income annual is rich to you?
    What does that have to do with what I said? I don't waste my time on thinking about what annual income is rich, because there is no point to it. In what I said, the tax would be parallel to your wealth. It doesn't mater if you are rich or not, you are just a %.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya420 View Post
    If we are just going to pick and choose what we call a tax, what's the point? It is not tax... Regardless of your opinion...




    What does that have to do with what I said? I don't waste my time on thinking about what annual income is rich, because there is no point to it. In what I said, the tax would be parallel to your wealth. It doesn't mater if you are rich or not, you are just a %.
    I think this would be pretty hard to implement.

    (Also, dang, I thought this thread would have finally of died.)

  6. #546
    Quote Originally Posted by GreatSageCorban View Post
    I think this would be pretty hard to implement.
    The hardest part about it would be setting a definitive budget before tax season. If we know how much someone is worth and the budget, it's just division...
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    Nobody ever said that Obama could not deliver a speech. Too bad that is all he is good for. More empty promises and lies.

    He loves to talk the talk about helping the middle class and poor, but he is no better than Bush. He talks about the gun violence in Chicago yet doe snot mention that it is gang violence largely stemming from the war on drugs.

    Nothing about the war on drugs ruining lives. Yet we should all stop everything for a few dead kids because they were shot in schools rather than in their public housing complex from a stray bullet.

    About the only things I agree with is tying minimum wage to cost of living, and tax breaks for attracting jobs.

    Hard to trust a man that has done nothing but talk the talk. Great speech, though. He is an excellent politician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roose View Post
    Nobody ever said that Obama could not deliver a speech. Too bad that is all he is good for. More empty promises and lies.

    He loves to talk the talk about helping the middle class and poor, but he is no better than Bush. He talks about the gun violence in Chicago yet doe snot mention that it is gang violence largely stemming from the war on drugs.

    Nothing about the war on drugs ruining lives. Yet we should all stop everything for a few dead kids because they were shot in schools rather than in their public housing complex from a stray bullet.

    About the only things I agree with is tying minimum wage to cost of living, and tax breaks for attracting jobs.

    Hard to trust a man that has done nothing but talk the talk. Great speech, though. He is an excellent politician.
    Taxes are at their lowest levels in American History. We need a multi-trillion dollar infrastructure program and a state/municipal/city fund to help them re-hire and rebuild. The fact that there are representatives in our government that are AGAINST rebuilding our own country is treasonous.

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    "The greatest nation on Earth..." Don't get me wrong. I'm not bashing the US. I'm just a bit sick of the blind patriotism/nationalism. It's a bit surprising, at least for me, that there generally seems to be this idea among a lot of Americans that their country is the best in the world. It's obvious that these people never bothered to, for example, check some indexes and compare the US to other countries. It's pretty high up, and even if it was the best country in the world (let's say, to live in), wouldn't it be a bit silly to go around saying it (I mean, okay, I'd understand that if it came from an average citizen, but the president?) and shoving it down the throats of others with "I'm a special snowflake" type of talk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wikiy View Post
    "The greatest nation on Earth..." Don't get me wrong. I'm not bashing the US. I'm just a bit sick of the blind patriotism/nationalism. It's a bit surprising, at least for me, that there generally seems to be this idea among a lot of Americans that their country is the best in the world. It's obvious that these people never bothered to, for example, check some indexes and compare the US to other countries. It's pretty high up, and even if it was the best country in the world (let's say, to live in), wouldn't it be a bit silly to go around saying it (I mean, okay, I'd understand that if it came from an average citizen, but the president?) and shoving it down the throats of others with "I'm a special snowflake" type of talk?
    They are compelled to do that nonsense to appease the moron base. We have a nationalistic, education-hating, fear-loving, god-fearing, immoral moral majority to cater to. Most of which have never left the state, much less the country. It is blasphemy to even insinuate that the USA is not the greatest thing since gunpowder and Jesus.

    The USA is infallible to most here. I am not even joking. It is called brainwashing, and the brains around here are sparkling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roose View Post
    They are compelled to do that nonsense to appease the moron base. We have a nationalistic, education-hating, fear-loving, god-fearing, immoral moral majority to cater to. Most of which have never left the state, much less the country. It is blasphemy to even insinuate that the USA is not the greatest thing since gunpowder and Jesus.

    The USA is infallible to most here. I am not even joking. It is called brainwashing, and the brains around here are sparkling.
    And I just realized he said "God-given rights", after which I noticed the "In God we trust" in the congress. I thought that was just a phrase or something. Kind of scary that it's the official motto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wikiy View Post
    And I just realized he said "God-given rights", after which I noticed the "In God we trust" in the congress. I thought that was just a phrase or something. Kind of scary that it's the official motto.
    I liked E Pluribus Unum better.
    Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    I liked E Pluribus Unum better.
    Sounds too socialist for America. xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wikiy View Post
    Sounds too socialist for America. xD
    From Many, One? Referring to the States? If anything, States' Rights advocates should be drooling over it.
    Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roose View Post
    Speak English or gtfo!!!!
    The bastard child of Anglo-Saxon and Norman French? Non! Je vais parler un meilleur langage!
    Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    The bastard child of Anglo-Saxon and Norman French? Non! Je vais parler un meilleur langage!
    I guess whoever has the best Navy has the most foreign nations speaking their language. Certainly not the best language by any means. Think many would prefer to hear French. I envy everyone that has a different native tongue. Odds are they speak English as well anyways.

  18. #558
    Im not gay, but I love that he keeps bringing up same sex marriage, and equal pay for women. I hope he makes a bunch of sweeping changes before he gets das bootas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alixie View Post
    Im not gay, but I love that he keeps bringing up same sex marriage, and equal pay for women. I hope he makes a bunch of sweeping changes before he gets das bootas.
    You took the bait... You assume that he would want to bring about those sweeping changes. Just a couple of talking point issues for two more groups that he panders to for votes, that is all.

  20. #560
    Quote Originally Posted by Roose View Post
    Nobody ever said that Obama could not deliver a speech..
    know who else gave great speeches and who also drove a country to ruin

    Quote Originally Posted by Roose View Post
    About the only things I agree with is tying minimum wage to cost of living,


    that will be the same as a dog chasing his tail
    raising min wage increases inflation which increases cost of living so then they would have to increase min wage again which in turn increases inflation that increases cost of living and around and around we go

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