[Megathread] Destiny

[Kathandira]

So apparently, Luke Smith said in an interview that the weapons (and armor) in Destiny 2 will be having fixed perks, instead of the randomized rolls they do now.

Link for reference:http://mashable.com/2017/06/29/desti.../#4BLWTOMjeOqx

For example, he talked about a legendary hand cannon called Better Devils. Better Devils will always drop with the same perks for anyone who gets it as a loot drop. No more randomized sets of perks that can make the weapon a shit roll, average roll, or god roll. They're doing this to make it easier to balance the weapons in general (as well as try to make sure that all weapons are at least viable instead of most just being dismantling fuel). If a specific weapon is too OP, Bungie can nerf that specific weapon instead of nerfing an entire weapon class or entire archetype within that weapon class. He did go on to say that there will be ways to customize the gun and make it different between players (which most people are speculating the new weapon mod system will play a part in).

They're also doing this to help reduce the loot grind overall. Now, instead of farming for a 1 in 100,000 chance of getting not only the weapon you want, but also a usable perk set on that weapon.....you'll be able to farm for a certain weapon and then know for certain that when it drops, it will have a usable roll no matter what.

This could actually work and be a good thing providing they do several things in conjuncture with it. With fixed rolls on weapons, they'll need to increase the number of weapons available to increase the diversity of what's available to use. Also, they need to balance the drop rates to help compensate for this system of "less grinding, but more guarantees of good weapon drops". They can't make the stuff drop so fast and easy that there is no longer anything to grind for, but at the same time, they can't make the drop rate so abysmally low that people get fed up with trying to obtain something. They'll also need to make sure that whatever they do allow us to customize or change on the weapon, it needs to be meaningful and worthwhile enough to make us actually appreciate it.

Now I know some people will ultimately think this system is bad because "less grinding in a loot based game is bad". And while that's true to some degree, I think most people can also agree that farming something hundreds of times over and over to try and get that god roll on a certain drop so they can be competitive with other players is not fun either. Yes, some people love grinding their faces off. The vast majority don't though, nor do a lot of people have the time to do so.

Also, to help alleviate having less grind in the game, Bungie is stating that they plan on updating the game and adding more content regularly and consistently than what they did in Destiny 2. They state that they have worked on making better creation tools for the game so that they can push out more content faster. So even though there's less grind overall, they're hoping to still keep players engaged with new stuff to do and obtain. Of course, only time will tell if they can pull that off, but here's to hoping they do. I'd rather grind less for gear if that means we get more meaningful content overall as a result.

I'm perfectly fine with this. Having a bank full of infusion fodder is annoying.

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couldn't get the answer I was looking for on google, so I figured i'd ask you guys.

I played Destiny on XB1. I recently bought a PS4, and will be getting Destiny 2 on it. Will my progress be tracked via my Bungie account? I'm not concerned with anything from D1 carrying over to D2 other than a record of my progress. I heard that in D2, if you played D1, you will get special emblems that show you were a loyal player. I want to make sure I get those things, but i'm concerned that I would only get it if I bought D2 for XB1.

Anyone know if I am screwed, or if I will get what i'm looking for?

[Zephyr Storm]

Could make for a much shorter lifespan. We all saw the 'welp, got my gjallerhorn, thats my rocket launcher for the rest of the current contents lifespan' stuff way back when. If you can't get a bad roll on D2's thorn equivalent its going to quickly become both the norm meta and the 'you dont have BLANK? gtfo scrub' and will turn into a constant fotm balancing nightmare.

Could of course, not garuanteed. But even though i like Destiny modern Bungie is not exactly the perfect example of ongoing content balance and new system designs.

But this system allows them to quickly nerf specific OP or overused weapons without causing widespread collateral damage to entire weapon classes. So in theory we should have fewer Thorn type situations in D2.

Also, theyre wanting to push out more frequent content updates to offset the decreased loot grind. Which I would much rather have provided they keep up at a decent rate. Grinding my face off for a chance at a weapon that just ends up having a shit roll on it like what happens in D1 now is not much fun if you ask me.
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I'm perfectly fine with this. Having a bank full of infusion fodder is annoying.

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couldn't get the answer I was looking for on google, so I figured i'd ask you guys.

I played Destiny on XB1. I recently bought a PS4, and will be getting Destiny 2 on it. Will my progress be tracked via my Bungie account? I'm not concerned with anything from D1 carrying over to D2 other than a record of my progress. I heard that in D2, if you played D1, you will get special emblems that show you were a loyal player. I want to make sure I get those things, but i'm concerned that I would only get it if I bought D2 for XB1.

Anyone know if I am screwed, or if I will get what i'm looking for?

Bungie already confirmed all of that stuff is tied specifically to your XBL or PSN account. So your progress, especially the rewards from D1, will not carry over to a different console in D2.

[Kathandira]

But this system allows them to quickly nerf specific OP or overused weapons without causing widespread collateral damage to entire weapon classes. So in theory we should have fewer Thorn type situations in D2.

Also, theyre wanting to push out more frequent content updates to offset the decreased loot grind. Which I would much rather have provided they keep up at a decent rate. Grinding my face off for a chance at a weapon that just ends up having a shit roll on it like what happens in D1 now is not much fun if you ask me.
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Bungie already confirmed all of that stuff is tied specifically to your XBL or PSN account. So your progress, especially the rewards from D1, will not carry over to a different console in D2.

Damn! I'm not concerned with any items transferring, but I figured since I have the same Bungie account for both consoles, at least the progress would be tracked. In my opinion, it should. Seems a little lazy not to have it work as such.

[Zephyr Storm]

Damn! I'm not concerned with any items transferring, but I figured since I have the same Bungie account for both consoles, at least the progress would be tracked. In my opinion, it should. Seems a little lazy not to have it work as such.

As of right now, they said everything is linked to/tied to your XBL/PSN account. So switching from one console to another or switching from console to PC will negate whatever you've done up to this point going forward.

[Kathandira]

As of right now, they said everything is linked to/tied to your XBL/PSN account. So switching from one console to another or switching from console to PC will negate whatever you've done up to this point going forward.

Oh well. Sad day for me, lol. I'll have to live without my emblem(s).

[dope_danny]

But this system allows them to quickly nerf specific OP or overused weapons without causing widespread collateral damage to entire weapon classes. So in theory we should have fewer Thorn type situations in D2.

Also, theyre wanting to push out more frequent content updates to offset the decreased loot grind. Which I would much rather have provided they keep up at a decent rate. Grinding my face off for a chance at a weapon that just ends up having a shit roll on it like what happens in D1 now is not much fun if you ask me.

Its fine in theory, i just dont expect bungie to pull it off. Its been 3 years now of 'we swear we got it this time' and if "we learnt from our mistakes and next time will be better" i would still be playing WoW. Devs gotta prove they can do it after years of attempted solutions to the gear problems that never did anything beyond make new problems.

[Jtbrig7390]

Well I bit the bullet and got the Destiny collection that has Rise of Iron.

It was on sell so I said why not. Mite not get to really play it until tomorrow or Thursday. Not even sure if ill try to gear up enough to do the raid.

But I do enjoy the pvp so ill do that some

[TonnyJok]

ill recommendation as seen by any live stream of the raid

[Jtbrig7390]

So just doing strikes what is the max light level I can get?

I don't know of any the changes to loot ROI brought.

[dope_danny]

Bascially max theoretically, the games been basically 'done' since the winter update. You start with set limits for gear values that drop but increasing your light increases the drops.

Though honestly if you did the grand 2 hour rise of iron story and got through the raid you really just need to gear for the heroic raid as thats the end really. After that its just increasing numbers for numbers sake, y'aint taking it with you into D2 after all.

[Jtbrig7390]

Bascially max theoretically, the games been basically 'done' since the winter update. You start with set limits for gear values that drop but increasing your light increases the drops.

Though honestly if you did the grand 2 hour rise of iron story and got through the raid you really just need to gear for the heroic raid as thats the end really. After that its just increasing numbers for numbers sake, y'aint taking it with you into D2 after all.

Ya I was looking to get my light level up just to do the raid once and be done. I must say the ROI story wasn't all that bad on what little given.

Was thinking of doing the older raids since they do drop current gear as well.

Not sure yet what ill do to be honest.

[Flaks]

Ya I was looking to get my light level up just to do the raid once and be done. I must say the ROI story wasn't all that bad on what little given.

Was thinking of doing the older raids since they do drop current gear as well.

Not sure yet what ill do to be honest.

Going through all the raids now that they're current is awesome and makes me realize how lacking destiny 2 will feel by comparison.

[Jtbrig7390]

If anyone is interested.
https://www.playstationtrophies.org/...-Unveiled.html

Sony has lifted the lid on a Limited Edition Glacier White PS4 Pro 1TB Destiny 2 bundle, which as the name suggests, includes a fetching white PS4 Pro console with matching DualShock 4 wireless controller and a copy of Destiny 2. It's like the first Destiny bundle, which also introduced a Glacier White PlayStation 4.

The Destiny 2 PS4 Pro bundle, as well as including a copy of the game, also includes a voucher for Destiny' 2's digital content pack, granting access to the game's Expansion Pass and "premium digital content", available first for PlayStation 4 players. A PS4 exclusive competitive multiplayer map, co-op Strike, ship, specialised gear and exotic weapon will also be among the DLC on offer.

The Limited Edition Glacier White PS4 Pro 1TB Destiny 2 bundle will be available on 6th September for $449.99 USD/$549.99 CAN and is available to pre-order now. The bundle has yet to be confirmed for regions outside North America, and the Destiny 2 Open Beta is also due to commence on 18th July.

[Eleccybubb]

If anyone is interested.
https://www.playstationtrophies.org/...-Unveiled.html

Aka we painted a PS4 Pro white and threw in a game.

[Jtbrig7390]

Aka we painted a PS4 Pro white and threw in a game.

Ya but it isn't bad priced.

Pro+D2+D2 Season Pass for $449.

[dope_danny]

Considering these are basically sold as "the upgrade like 10% of our consumers buy" they really should include a bigger HDD. I have a 1tb external plugged into my base PS4 and its full and i still have a few games left undownloaded. Thats after a year of buying games and only the division, FFXV, Destiny and P5 are the big retail sized downloads. With all the sales and PS+ the library can grow real quick, in 2 years i think i've gotten over 100 digital games including PS+ and if this is an upgrade console having the exact same amount of room is kinda bleh.
Its a real first world problem complaint but even indie game sizes are getting bigger and it feels like the hard drives are just being left at the 1tb limit that was set like 4 years ago when a 2tb would make a world of difference.

[Kathandira]

Considering these are basically sold as "the upgrade like 10% of our consumers buy" they really should include a bigger HDD. I have a 1tb external plugged into my base PS4 and its full and i still have a few games left undownloaded. Thats after a year of buying games and only the division, FFXV, Destiny and P5 are the big retail sized downloads. With all the sales and PS+ the library can grow real quick, in 2 years i think i've gotten over 100 digital games including PS+ and if this is an upgrade console having the exact same amount of room is kinda bleh.
Its a real first world problem complaint but even indie game sizes are getting bigger and it feels like the hard drives are just being left at the 1tb limit that was set like 4 years ago when a 2tb would make a world of difference.

On XB1, I have over 100 digital games in my library from between the free monthly downloads, and games I have purchased. I do not have them all installed though. Since they are digital, I can download them any time I wish to play them. But I keep my HD reserved for games I currently playing. If I were to keep them all installed all the time, i'd need a few TB's worth of space. I don't feel that the console companies should be required to offer anything more than 1TB. At 50GB a game, you can still have plenty of games installed and not have a problem.

[dope_danny]

On XB1, I have over 100 digital games in my library from between the free monthly downloads, and games I have purchased. I do not have them all installed though. Since they are digital, I can download them any time I wish to play them. But I keep my HD reserved for games I currently playing. If I were to keep them all installed all the time, i'd need a few TB's worth of space. I don't feel that the console companies should be required to offer anything more than 1TB. At 50GB a game, you can still have plenty of games installed and not have a problem.

I think the issue with me is the whole "going digital can lose you games in the longrun" Stuff like the fantastic scott pilgrim beat em up, after burner, outrun 2006 and so on are all gone from their services because theres some reason like the car likeness rights in outrun expired and the games were taken off the service. To say nothing of things like PT that are gone completely. Its an inverse of problems like Crisis Core having no digital version and a hard ten year lifespan on UMDs due to poor glue holding the things together. A game can be bought digitally but in the closed systems of consoles online services you can lose it and if you didnt have it saved on a hard drive well tough shit.
Its an extreme but with dlc making a few games 80+gb thats 12 games and your hard drive 95% full. Its an extreme now but games are only growing in size and in the age of digital only content backing shit up locally is an uncommonly needed but very real issues as games became more mainstream and included a lot more licenses for brands and music and so on from external sources.

[Kathandira]

I think the issue with me is the whole "going digital can lose you games in the longrun" Stuff like the fantastic scott pilgrim beat em up, after burner, outrun 2006 and so on are all gone from their services because theres some reason like the car likeness rights in outrun expired and the games were taken off the service. To say nothing of things like PT that are gone completely. Its an inverse of problems like Crisis Core having no digital version and a hard ten year lifespan on UMDs due to poor glue holding the things together. A game can be bought digitally but in the closed systems of consoles online services you can lose it and if you didnt have it saved on a hard drive well tough shit.
Its an extreme but with dlc making a few games 80+gb thats 12 games and your hard drive 95% full. Its an extreme now but games are only growing in size and in the age of digital only content backing shit up locally is an uncommonly needed but very real issues as games became more mainstream and included a lot more licenses for brands and music and so on from external sources.

That's a good point, and something I've been concerned with. Say for some reason XB Live goes belly up, and their online catalog is no longer offered. Basically, any and all games that I do not have downloaded and installed would never be able to be downloaded again.

[dope_danny]

So some of the interviews have been interesting. Apparently the Stranger is never ever coming back. "Her story is done", just ignore the fact that shes a time traveller who was talking to other people via headset and in a hurry to do something. Bungie doesnt have time to explain why they dont have time to explain this one. Also The Darkness? never existed. It was just a story name "because we had no story" and all that grimoire supernatural stuff? [REDACTED]

Along with the beta being all instanced content this time i'm feeling pretty wary of this one thats for sure.