Algalon was much simpler than Yogg in terms of his mechanics but far more difficult in terms of tuning.
edit: and Sinestra was a joke once you outgeared her because the essence of the red (or w/e that was called, pretty sure thats vaels buff lol) buff woudnt even drop off in the final phase.
Last edited by Nuckels; 2013-02-25 at 01:02 AM.
Maybe Ra-Den will be insanely difficult and H Lei Shen will be even MORE insanely difficult. Like OMGWTFQQBLIZZHOWCULDUCREATESUCHAMONSTROSITYOFABOSS.
lol Just a thought there.
I think the top guilds will adapt as appropriate and we'll see a Ra-den kill within the first 3 weeks of Heroic being open at the latest. Then guides and strats will trickle out with kill videos and the guilds that get to him later will be very careful with their pulls. Or it'll be bugged to hell and the attempt limit will be removed.
I like the 30 limit tries per week, Stops people raiding 7 days a week and doing however many tries a week they want, Now its more down to skill (and hoping RnG doesnt screw you over)
Means people can do the 30 tries and take the rest of the week off, Stopping burn out for some people. Worked well with Lich King Heroic in my opinion, and its better system then Algalon, so glad to see something like this again
Feels much more like they're just "leveling the playing field" - which mostly applies to giving non-5+night guilds a fighting chance to pickup some ranking on an extremely difficult boss (let's hope so!)
Ra'den is like this - it's a test of skill, not endurance. Take two guilds, one which kills him in 78 attempts spread over 3 weeks, another than kills him in 308 attempts in one long week. Which guild is better? I think most woujld agree that the first guild is more skilled.
Now let's say that the first guild can't raid as much as the second for some reason... in that case the second guild would get a world first even though I think most would agree that they're not as skilled as the guild that only took 78 tries to kill him. They 'win' not because they're better but because they can spend more time trying him.
Last edited by clevin; 2013-02-25 at 10:10 PM.
One boss kill isn't enough to determine which guild is better, but if I had to pick, the guild that killed it first. The guild that puts in 300 attempts has probably done so before there is any information out as guilds who aren't interested in being secretive about their progress aren't even there yet. The guild killing it in week 3, even for Ra-den, will have access to hundreds of hours of streams and other information that has become readily available by that point.
Somewhat off-topic, but weren't all the end-wing bosses in ICC under the "limited attempts" model? And the attempts were shared between all 4 (Putr, Lana, Saur, and LK)? Or maybe I'm just completely misremembering. . .
This is a mostly silly argument composed of a lot of needless worrying.
The "500" attempt boss people are talking about has happened only a couple of times.
Heroic Lich King
Heroic Rag (for some guilds)
Most "big" fights actually roll in the 150-180ish.
Most of Sunwell
Spine of Deathwing
These days your run of the mill Tier 14 fight on heroic went between 40-90 attempts on the outside. Pre-nerf Spirit Kings took a lot, but that was retardedly designed. Most guys did Heroic Sha 25 in 75-120. Tsulong took around 50-60.
Point is, if it's 30 attempts per week... so what. Come more prepared. Cut down on experimentation. Go with safe bets and know what works. Don't have any pre-pull fuckups. If he is more "Algalon" than Yogg+0, then two things are going to come of it: (1) with 30 attempts per week, two weeks of attempts will be enough, and considering that one of those weeks will be the first week you kill Lei Shen for the first time, you get a free learning-week anyway. And (2) Lei Shen will hopefully be the point -motherload for the tier, just like Yogg+0 was, and Algalon will just be worth more than your average Heroic boss.
Of course (2) is up to WoW Progress,and they often bone up shit like that, so we'll see.
All in all, I think its much ado about nothing.