The breath has a really strong proc, which causes it to have a lower amount of ppm (not thesame as an ICD).
Basically if you compare the 502 LFR breath and the 502 heroic Light of the Cosmos, you see they have an equal amount of haste, thesame proc duration, but the breath has a 6088 int proc where the LotC has a 3653 int proc.
So it's not bugged, it's just really strong when the proc is up.
I've spoken to several Moonkin with have reported huge improvements in their DPS on single target fights after obtaining UVLS. I'm beginning to wonder if the nerfed proc rate for us is actually working or not. Those moonkin have private logs so that's a no go, anyone have a UVLS with lots of data on WoL?
Last edited by Stommped; 2013-03-21 at 02:57 PM.
Since I haven't seen this done anywhere yet, I took a stab at comparing Cha, Hydra, and UVLS given the recent changes. I started with the T15H setup in the latest version of WrathCalcs (130318) (elitistjerks.com/f73/t114017-balance_wrathcalcs/p51/).
Then, as Hamlet suggested in the above link, I accounted for:
- the 5% increase to base proc rate for all three trinkets,
- the effect of the new scaling proc rate after long proc-free intervals which Hamlet worked out to be a 13% boost to overall proc frequency (twitter.com/HamletEJ/status/311953149613195264),
- and the 30% boost to the proc rate of UVLS.
So, in the Basic Calcs tab I changed:
- Uptime for Hydra = 1-EXP(-0.5*1.05*1.13*G37*20/60)
- Uptime for Cha = 1-EXP(-0.77*1.05*1.13*(1+D35)*G37*10/60)
- Mean proc time for UVLS = 60/(0.25*1.05*1.13*1.3*G37*1.15^(H42/15))
I then compared the heroic versions of the three trinkets:
UVLS, Hydra: 197886 dps
Cha, Hydra: 198591 dps
Cha, UVLS: 199128 dps
So, in this setup Cha > UVLS > Hydra.
Keep in mind that the relative values of these trinkets can change dramatically with the rest of your setup. For example, with my low ilvl (508) setup with 4pT14 I found that UVLS + Hydra was the best pair of normal trinkets.
When you test things for your own setup, be aware that WrathCalcs does not yet adjust the proc rate of TF or Heroic TF UVLS properly (as described at us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7923993861?page=48#953). A quick hack would be to temporarily change the value of cell H42 in Basic Calcs to 0 (while testing TF) or 13 (while testing Heroic TF). (Though Heroic TF is not in the gear list yet.) Make sure to change it back to the proper formula!
(Or just manually change it each time: -65 for CMs, -26 for LFR, -6 for normal, 0 for TF, 7 for Heroic, 13 for Heroic TF.)
Edit: the current BiS setup in WrathCalcs is slightly outdated. For my trinket comparison:
That would make the order still Cha-Ye's > UVLS > Hydra, just slightly higher numbers. But, does mean UVLS knocks out Hydra, so get your Weak Auras ready!
Last edited by Slippykins; 2013-03-22 at 07:57 AM.
Heroic Jinrokh and Horridon logs with UVLS (Look at Midru, btw)
I find the normal version of uvls quite good because with the procs i can go on a starsurge rampage and i sometimes manage to exted my INC + CA pull buffed dot for ages.
Ranked 32 on moonkins with uvls, with bad playing and wasted dps, but still. In my case the trinket procced quite frequently, sometimes it procced a few times in a row, sometimes it didnt proc for a good time.
Its even better in multi target situations. How ever I dont think that simcraft and WC can estimate its value properly. In multi target situations a alternative opener increases your damage by tons compared to the normal opener. That needs proper optimizing and modelling first.
Mr. Robot is ranking Torall, Rod of the Shattered Throne above Ritual Dagger of the Mind's Eye also. I am a bit confused on this because what I know about stat priority, Crit trumps Haste. The only reasoning I can see behind Torall being higher than Mind's Eye is the haste on the mace is needed to reach haste breakpoint. Is this the case?
And no, we aren't shooting for any haste breakpoints anymore, besides the almost-impossible-not-to-get 5273 breakpoint. The 10289 breakpoint sacrifices too much crit to be a viable jump, coupled with its devaluing due to the Sinister primal diamond.
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Is there anyone playing with Uvls and Cha'ye? Im looking for some logs to study.
I found one lucky fellow who has both and I see some interesting results, though Id like to see more logs.
Last edited by Joeri2; 2013-03-24 at 06:05 PM.
Have you looked at the two hand weapon Suen-Wo, Spire of the Falling Sun the stat budget seems quite high but I don't have any real weightings to compare it. It might help drop hit too.
nvm it sucks >.>
Last edited by Biggles1y3; 2013-03-25 at 12:35 AM.
MH/OH combos have been superior for too long, it's why I was so eager for a 2H to finally be BiS. ^_^