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    Principles. Too many people don't have them or ignore it altogether.

    #1 reason why bad behavior/playing gets worse and worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryntrollian View Post
    Some greens make for excellent transmog options...
    Yeah, but then you simply could ask before you select 'need'. Nobody is going to shout at you for asking.

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    It's not about the value of the item, it's about principles. People in general hates ninjas and ppl that take advantage in unfair ways. If they do it once they might aswell do it more times. I would be much more tolerable with ppl on my own realm. But in LFR i just assume that everyone rolling in a situation like the above are assholes. Sadly i've seen too many examples of ppl needing on green after green and even blues/epics they wont even use.

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    the things i have seen people need on the most are then things every1 can need on like weapons,ring,trinkets and lockboxes

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    Saying its ok to steal is like saying go ahead rob that bank no problem go steal that car with a baby in the back seat its NOT ok to steal any item even if its green its time people start being head accountable for there actions.

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    So, I am going to mention my bit here... but seeing as it's you Jaylock, I don't anticipate my words to hold any sway over you in the slightest. Seeing as you have already made your stance on this very firm. But, here goes...

    The reason people get upset, is that the person who needs on a green item, takes that item away from all of those who chose to DE or are greeding on it. If you are in the LFR, you are usually there to obtain gear for that toon. I don't personally know anyone who goes in to the LFR in hopes of greens for their alts. Anyway. You are there for gear on a specific toon, and if you are at the LFR level, there is a good... nay... very good chance that you don't actually need the green you rolled on. Thus, all you are doing is making sure you are going to be the one profiting from the roll and well, screw everyone else. (please note, when I say "you" I don't mean you specifically Jaylock. I mean the person who rolled for said green item in my hypothetical scenario)

    People who do this get lumped into the same category as the people who need rolled on everything in the Cata LFR. You might think that the quality of the item should mean it doesn't matter... but it's the principal of the action. (which is something you like to preach, so how you can't see that here, I don't really know).

    It's not a nice thing to do, but Blizzard allows for it, thus it's going to happen. I will say that I support the rest of the raid's reaction to it. It's a pretty clear indicator that this person is only out for themselves and may not be a good candidate for "team player of the year". I will be expected a "but what about...." response should I get one :P


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    I did a trial of tests to see how prevailent booting at the first sight of taking greens. Here are my results:

    All trials took place in the first part of HoF, as this is the place where the likelyhood of trash greens dropping are the highest (a lot of trash)

    I ran this trash 10 times for purposes of the trial (healer = instant queues):

    7 out of 10 times someone said something about me needing on the green.

    of those 7 times, I was booted 5 times.

    The other 5 times I went on to kill the first boss with the LFR group.


    So 5 out of 10 times, i was booted from the group for needing on a Green. Seems like the community is rather divided, but personally I see it as 5 out of 10 times, jerks are so worried about a fricken green that they go out of the way to call someone out and get them booted. I also instantly inspected the people who first called me out, and as i suspected, 6 out of the 7 people who first called me out were undergeared baddies wearing pvp gear and greens themselves. Only 1 of them were wearing decent epicd out gear.

    Quite frankly this is just amazing. Over a GREEN.
    All you're doing in this thread is coming off as selfish. You said yourself that you got kicked half the time. That should tell you that people do care when you need on something you don't really need. You can argue semantics all you want but noone really "needs" a green for enchanting or gold.

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    I hate when people do it, especially with Lock Boxes, it's disrespectful to the others in the raid. But I don't kick up a fuss about it, rarely anyone takes your side in LFR even when you have the right intentions.

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    OP sounds far too pissed off at the 3 people who wanted the player kicked so I'm guessing it was th op that was kicked for needing on greens. Either way as someone else has said who cares what the item was that was stolen it's the principle that matters.

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    it's the principle
    sounds like it was you
    I have done it would do it again in a sec

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnowo View Post
    I votekick people needing on lockboxes and ask others to do the same. This should be a common thing in the community.

    Green items? If it's an upgrade (unlikely) or /need was an accident (more likely) then no.
    The same DeathKnight named "árthäzdklulz" needrolling on every green item that drops? Bye bye...
    Why do you kick people for rolling need on lockboxes ?
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    I don't think I know what the acronym "tsg" is. It's not RBG's or Arena, random battlegrounds, or any form of dungeon or raid that I can think of. What does it mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryntrollian View Post
    Why do you kick people for rolling need on lockboxes ?
    Are you asking why on lockboxes (Because they are the same as greens. No one NEEDS them), or are you asking why they singled out lockboxes as being a worse offender? (Because, again, they are the same as greens.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shock View Post
    Saying its ok to steal is like saying go ahead rob that bank no problem go steal that car with a baby in the back seat its NOT ok to steal any item even if its green its time people start being head accountable for there actions.
    When everyone has the option to select need, it isn't stealing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    I don't think I know what the acronym "tsg" is. It's not RBG's or Arena, random battlegrounds, or any form of dungeon or raid that I can think of. What does it mean?

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    I really have to ask. Jaylock, why do you create these kinds of threads? When you create a thread, you tend to already have your mind made up about which side of the thread you are on. You then go on to defend that side, passionately... almost to the point of being blind to any opposing view point. From what I have seen, you don't tend to accept opposing viewpoints either. It's almost like you are making threads simply to vent, or maybe just to get a reaction out of people. You are a curious entity, Jaylock. One day, we might understand where you are coming from or why you do the things you do. I think the saddest part of this, I won't get an answer... and someone will call me out for trying to derail the thread... Even though I have already offered my opinion on this subject in an earlier post.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathgoose View Post
    Are you asking why on lockboxes (Because they are the same as greens. No one NEEDS them), or are you asking why they singled out lockboxes as being a worse offender? (Because, again, they are the same as greens.)
    Do you know how much gold you could make from just a single lockbox? I'd rather need on it than risk some random guy winning it and vendoring/deleting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    I don't think I know what the acronym "tsg" is. It's not RBG's or Arena, random battlegrounds, or any form of dungeon or raid that I can think of. What does it mean?

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    I'm sure it's been said somewhere, but can you even need on epics that drop in LFR?

    I know you can't need a BoE epic that drops in a LFD, I would imagine it was the same for LFR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soth View Post
    I know you can't need a BoE epic that drops in a LFD, I would imagine it was the same for LFR.
    I'm pretty sure you can, but they become soulbound if you win them by rolling 'need'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathgoose View Post
    Half the fun of Jaylock threads is trying to guess which side he is going to take based off of the thread title and nothing more.

    Given his past stances on various topics he has started, I was fully expecting him to take the position that if someone needs on a green in a raid, LFR or otherwise, it is only for your vendor spec, which makes you a complete douche, and that behavior shouldn't be rewarded == kick.

    But nope, he took a position so far from that my mind is now blown!
    My thoughts too - usually his threads are much more interesting and controversial - maybe the love fest has got to him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nivis View Post
    I'm pretty sure you can, but they become soulbound if you win them by rolling 'need'
    yep that's true so if you want to sell a nice transmog item on the ah you need to win it with a greed roll

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soth View Post
    I'm sure it's been said somewhere, but can you even need on epics that drop in LFR?

    I know you can't need a BoE epic that drops in a LFD, I would imagine it was the same for LFR.
    Boe items can be needed but they become soulbound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    I don't think I know what the acronym "tsg" is. It's not RBG's or Arena, random battlegrounds, or any form of dungeon or raid that I can think of. What does it mean?

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