A Horde fanboy arguing with Alliance fanboy.
Horde fanboy -> everything about the Horde is right.
Alliance fanboy -> everything about the Alliance is right.
Pointless thread remains pointless.
Huh, I've always read that they were attacked without warning.
"The Stormpike Expedition have set up residence in the valley to search for natural resources and ancient titan relics. It is likely that they did not know of the Frostwolf orcs' connection to the area when choosing to visit the valley. Despite their intentions, the dwarven presence has sparked heated conflict with the Frostwolf orcs to the south, who have vowed to drive the interlopers from their lands. The Stormpike dwarves sent in an initial expedition, the Stormpike Guard, to search for ancient relics of their past and mine for natural resources and were attacked (they felt) without provocation by the territorial Frostwolves." from wowpedia.
They were an annoyance that Thrall tried to get rid of. Because it's a military base, if Thrall had went to destroy it, it would have sparked a war, which he didn't want, because he knew that war was bad for the Horde. And believe it or not, it is. The only reason Northwatch became a threat to the Horde was because Garrosh became overly aggressive and his actions made the Alliance wary enough to heavily reinforce it.
Thrall's not an idiot. That's why he didn't take it down by force.
How Is this thread even still here?
Yes, the Orcs were pretty bad off in the desert at the onset of the Cataclysm, but really only the orcs. Their culture was, however, non-existent until their freeing from the internment camps back in WCIII, and you cannot argue against that due to them being bonafide slaves.
Also, how can you claim that the horde is "family" when you are propping up a man that would have the Darkspears under marshal law, their leader killed and the blood elves as cannon fodder? There is no family in this horde, there is the Orcs and then there is everyone below them. Garrosh's only concern are the Orcs at the end of the day. He is not the leader of the horde, he is the leader of the orcs and is using everyone else as puppets.
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This war may have started in part because the orcs needed food and lumber from Ashenvale. but that doesn't explain Garrosh trying to take Stormwind, or ordering the Forsaken to invade Gilneas. Garrosh not only didn't try diplomacy himself, he despises diplomacy as seen in The Shattering and the comics, where he didn't approve of Varian trying to open trade for lumber from Elwynn so they wouldn't need ashenvale. Garrosh's attitude is 'take what we need/want.' It's the opposite extreme of doing nothing and letting the alliance walk over you. What the horde needs is something in the middle, not Garrosh 2.0
Last edited by Florena; 2013-02-27 at 06:58 AM.
"and yes, HE (Garrosh) is going full stupid genocide" from the OP himself...
The way I see it, the Orcish Warchief should be Diplomatic, but firm. He will give his demands, and we will take the oppositions in return, he will listen to all sides and judge accordingly, Harsh if need be. If this means that the Alliance gets the a fortress dismantled? So be it. If this means capture Humans are sent back to the Alliance as honor dictates, then it will be done. Honor is a major role in almost all Cultures of the Horde, it should be the main characteristic of the Warchief.
Also an interesting tidbit, this was probably retconned but in Cycle of Hatred the barrens was actually supposed to be a no mans land and not horde territory.
The sad thing is, I thought that's what Garrosh would shape up to be until they announced he was going to be a raid boss. I thought he would shape up, as show by examples like Stonetalon, and become a brutal but honorable Warchief. Instead, he's going off the deep end.
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Thrall had honor, he attempted diplomacy, and he dealt with things harshly.
Again, it's hard to really see it inside of the game (due to the lack of storytelling power of classic. Thrall did more than a good portion of faction leaders during those times), but it's there.
At this point it has become a petty revenge match, but that's partially due to the fact that no matter were the Horde tries to go, they are followed and attacked. And also Garrosh is an ass.