Finally eating healthy and meeting daily macros is the simple most effective way to do anything whether trying to lose weight or gain without trying excessive and expensive diets, a keto diet consists of high protein and fat to make up for lack of carbs in the diet the cost would be vastly higher then just to eat right and working hard for results.
P.S If you've read the post I quoted it was a means to refute their statement of whey protein being a completely artificial nutrient.
Last edited by Souichirou; 2013-04-05 at 01:15 AM.
Keto diets are superior to carb diets for people who are insulin resistant btw.
As for his post... he said "these artificial nutrients" have hidden effects. These could refer to the whey, are you interpret it, or it could refer to the artificial nutrients found in every single whey protein on the market. To try and refute his point by pointing out that whey in itself is not artificial misses his point. His point was that any amount of artificial nutrients is bad whether or not everything in a whey supplement is artificial or not.
Last edited by jbhasban; 2013-04-05 at 05:58 PM.
Bulking requires calorie surplus. Cutting requires calorie deficit.
You say " My main concern is losing weight", then you go on saying " I wouldn't mind sac x calories to help build muscle".
Technically, you can't cut and bulk at the same time. You can lean bulk which essentially means that you're maintaining a low body fat retention while you bulk. But in order to cut, you have to use more calories than you take in which forces the body to canabalize your fat stores for energy and building blocks. In order to bulk, you've got to take in a mass amount of calories (like 4k+, give or take) and want all of those calories going towards your muscle building. If you're doing enough cardio to put yourself in the negative while bulking, you're essentially cheating yourself on the building process and, thus, not getting the maximum out of what you're wanting.
Its better to just do a clean and lean bulk for a bit and then do a quick cut.
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And yes, it's worth it.
Personally I don't think it's worth it,
Chocolate milk is just as effective imo, there's a lot of proteins in it and if you mix it yourself you pretty much know what's in it too.
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So its VASTLY greater, milk/chocolate milk also contains massive amounts of sugar for no reason aside from change of taste.
Last edited by Souichirou; 2013-04-09 at 09:06 PM.
It depends on what your purpose is. If your purpose is taste, chocolate milk is better. If your purpose is protein and nothing but protein, there are better things than whey (I have a cheese that is 98% protein, I have never seen a protein powder that refined).
Not everyone cares about calories. I personally don't. It is easy enough to eat enough protein each day without protein powders.
BTW, 111 calories with 30 grams of protein is indeed impressive. That is 9 calories less than is possible. They must have some sort of super low calorie protein. Maybe it like alcohol protein. That's a thing, right?
BTW, a cup of skim milk is 86 calories if we want to be exact.
Last edited by jbhasban; 2013-04-09 at 09:23 PM.
98% protein cheese. I'd like to see that. I call bullshit, but would love to be proven wrong since it sounds so absurd (less than 2% water).
This has been spin so absurdly out of control. There should really be nothing to discuss. Protein shakes, from whey based products, are undeniably the best source of protein, and in many cases also the cheapest. Science has shown, in regards to muscle protein synthesis that protein with high leucine content are more anabolic, hence 'higher quality' in the regards that it is the best suited source for the intent and purpose. Whey protein is the protein source highest in Leucine, hence the highest quality. Taste wise, you can get some really awesome tasting powders. It is convinient, it is cheap. No I'm not saying that is should replace normal meals, beef, chicken or other meats since you will still need the vitamins and minerals. But if you need a supplement.. Read again.. SUPPLEMENT, then indeed protein shakes are worth it.
It's a supplement.
i.e. If you don't get enough from food, yes, it's worth it.
When I'm training, I can't really see myself being able to reach 200g a day without them.
So much misinformation here. Please consult a better informed place (personal trainer at your gym, reddit/r/fitness, etc.) for nutrition advise than this WOW forum. :-)
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