This game is all about gears.
Blizzard finally realized it and made 5 tiers in 1 patch. Overkill?
A 5-player will make 6 tiers !
This game is all about gears.
Blizzard finally realized it and made 5 tiers in 1 patch. Overkill?
A 5-player will make 6 tiers !
Pugs happen all the time, and since you can cross realm raid, you should head over to openraid.us and do some HoF/MSV/ToES pugs, that will get you some nice shinies.
If you want the same gear for doing an easy task (dungeons) as you get from a harder task (raids) then this isn't the game for you and you should stop bitching all over MMO-Champion about it.
No they REFUSE to add content EVERYONE WANTED at a faster rate or nearly everyone. NOBODY or next to nnbody did these fuckign dailies in the past. Yet SOMEHOW blizzard magically realized this was what everybody fucking wanted in mists. It's magic. People were asking Blizzard for more content they weren't doing.
This game was always progressively getting more and more frinedly for casuals and more and more progressive in terms of gates and or grinds. It's what made the game an initial success and over the years a continued success. From a business stand point it's obvious that they won't do it because it requires further investment in a dying game, from a community stand point they'll just keep loosing more and more players who will continue to spread the word about what a shitty experience this game is. It doesn't actually give the classic or bc atmosphere. Dailies are a holllow shell of that. They don't capture the essence. WHen you run dailies for the most part your just runnnig dailies. Youa ren't stopping tospell the roses or be immersed. In fact in my opinion they rob you of all immersion. It's the shadow but not the substance. it's people being proded out of sw/org to finish dailies and then afking in two moons. NOthing has changed in that regard.
Also I am not getting reward at a pace I like. In some cases I'm not getting reward period. I often ask myself whats the point in doing anything in this game anymore? NOTHING REWARDS YOU ENOUGH OR EVEN GUARANTEES YOU A REWARD ANYMORE.
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No iit doesn't, especially with the tuning of the intial 5.0 raids and especially not compared to what it was in ICC. It doesn't happen all the time and it doesn't happen in a flexibile sense. Meaning I can just hop on and expect to see a pug raid. It's a rarity and cataclysm basically killed it off.
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No I didn't. But that was a different time. The game has changed, it's moved on from then. I don't know why the fan base and the developers is so intent on pushing to reclaim what they can't reclaim. It's not gonna hppen and forced daily quests don't make this game feel anymore clasic or bc like. Neither do forced grinds. It's a shadow and attemping to put substance in it is a collosal failure.
Wow I never thought I'd see an expansion with no new five mans. I really hope this isn't true; 5 mans are the most enjoyable content to me. Trading 5 mans for scenarios is just an awful idea.
Scenarios are an abomination even above LFR.
There is no responsibility, no learning, no skill, no enjoyment in running them.
LFR is a pile of shit and worthless at teaching people to understand and play their class.
The only think worthwhile are the 5 mans which hold people somewhat responsible to playing their class/role.
Where are the raiders of tomorrow's expansion supposed to come from. Certainly not from the brain-dead non-specific character's Blizzard is cramming down our throats.
Yes trying to stretch it out like they are doing is not the best thing and they look set to repeat in a way the mistakes they made in Cata all over again but from a different angle.. What this looks like is that they may be running out of idea's after all the game is 8 years old and that if they bring back something they did before then the community QQ's like mad citing rehashed content..
What can they do to fix this I don't know, I am not sure the community knows and when it comes down to it I don't think Blizz themselves know. The World of Dailycraft was probably not the best of idea's but we have been lumbered with it. The premise of gating seemed a good idea but was implemented in a way that has pissed a lot off.. And with the upcoming patch not having dungeons I can sort of live with it, it is not like I need them but only for VP's as the state of idiocy of players in the current LFR's makes me spam scenarios and dungeons to meet my VP cap.
Storytelling in 5 mans? LMAO 5 mans are "GO GO GO I want to get this over with, I got better things to do" nobody pays attention to the storytelling in 5 mans.
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Yeeeeeeeeeeeah cuz DPS that pull and the other rabble in 5 mans are WONDERFUL examples of "Raiders of tomorrow".
You spent a lot of time bitching about dailies instead of actually saying anything worth a damn. Saying that EVERYONE agrees with what you are saying doesn't mean anything. I enjoyed the Klaxxi and Dominance dailies, I'm enjoying the new ones in 5.2. I am sorry you aren't, but just because you don't doesn't mean that others can't.
In terms of putting out more content, they are putting it out fairly fast, they are never going to put it out content as fast as we players want it, but that's not something that is their fault, they can't just hire more people to fix the problem (too many cooks spoils)
I'm not sure what dungeons add to the game still. You say you like them, but have only said because you used to be able to get really good gear with minimal effort, which is something they are moving away from. Again, if you don't like putting in the same effort as everyone else to get the rewards they get, time to find a game that allows that.
I didn't say everyone agreed to me. I just pointed out that NOBODY DID THE FUCKING DAILIES IN THE PAST (or next to nobody) so how could that be the content they were asking for in mists? I'm enjoying the new ones in 5.2 as well because they don't have any gear worth it so I'm not doing them. In other words they are less "forced" or less "compelling" in BLizzard parlance.
They could just hire more people. Cooks aren't the only people in a kitchen, they would just need to hire more sous chefs.
Dungeons currently add nothing to the game but that's only because the developers aren't supporting them as a playstyle anymore. If they supported them as aplay style they would add alot to the game but theirs a potential that dailies would be less "compelling" in other words "forced" and then they could stop adding dailies in.
Ultimately the only solution I ever get from this community is to leave. Never an agreement that things need work. Nevber an agreement that the game is the one with the problem. Only the answer if you don't like it then GTFO. We'll this community was telling it's fellow players that in cataclysm and people left in droves. If that's what you want to do in mists then people will and are leaving in droves. Keep it up. It just means come next expansion they'll abandon whatever it is you like to do in favor of something else and then you'll be on this side of the fence being told to move on.
I disagree. Even though i was in T6 in BC, the dungeons were still challenging when running with randoms from trade. I enjoyed running them because they were very challenging and fun. They really need to return to that model. Not the shit 5 mans we have had since wrath. The idea of challenge modes seems boring, i miss the long time consuming dungeon crawls that we had in BC and Vanilla.
I believe they should add more 5 mans. But the way you ATTACK Blizzard instead of listing valid reasons is why I'm arguing with you. Others in this thread have made compelling arguments for the addition of new 5 mans, you have acted like you are OWED new 5 mans and OWED gear. I don't like your attitude and disagree with your reasons.
You are a self-entitlted person and while I hope they add in new five mans, I still suggest you quit because you act like a spoiled brat, not because you want 5 mans.
5 mans are simply a better environment, i dont see why you wouldnt have some later on in the expansion
Their is no valid reasons for them to do it. That's the whole fucking point. They don't serve any use because Blizzard has made them not serve any use. They aren't supporting that play style anymore. My time should be rewarded. PERIOD. So yes if you consider me saying that my time invested in the game should be rewarded as saying I am "owed" the gear then I am owed the fucking gear. That's your distinction. Not mine.
This is cataclysm 2.0 folks. You have any complaint. You dislike something. You are automatically self entitled and should quit the game. Well keep telling players that. They'll keep leaving in droves.
So all of those players who enjoyed five mans for over eight years can just go fuck themselves and quit because you think raids are the only thing that maters in this game? A lot of players enjoy five mans from nonraiders to raiders, and many players have wanted more even in Cata. Have you seen threads asking Blizzard to stop making five mans and completely toss them to the side because I have not. Not everyone enjoys the gameplay of raids or even LFR for that mater.
Even when I was progressing in T6 in BC I still ran five mans on the side because they was fun. They allowed a more close nit experience with friends and other members of the community. It was nice meeting new players and even potentially a new recruit.
You have made it clear that you do not like dungeons. Fine just stop telling others that they should GTFO and quit because they enjoy five man content.
Which was the justification that developers gave for giving soloists raid level rewards in an MMO. BS when players who do not want to work with others are given better rewards than those who work with others in an MMO. There is no gear progression requirements in the dailies scene and yet somehow are justified for raid level gear while those who do group based content do not. It is just silly and against the so called effort to reward ratio that Blizzard talks about. Than again Challenge mode just shows how much BS that is coming out of their mouth.
Last edited by nekobaka; 2013-03-10 at 03:14 AM.
No, YOU are self-entitled and should quit the game. The guy above you that said "5 mans are simply a better environment, i don't see why you wouldn't have some later on in the expansion" has an opinionated point, but that CAN be true. Therefore, it's a valid reason for wanting 5 man content. He shouldn't quit, he seems like a good guy and isn't afraid of anything.
Okay then put 5 mans in for that. I really don't care. The simple fact is that they aren't supporting the playstyle that many of us over the years loved and you can call me self entitled all you want it doesn't change the fact. Instead of calling for some moderation and BLizzard to relook at what it's doing you'd rather turn on your fellow players. Cataclysm 2.0 folks. Replace hard dungeons with more grind and that's where your at.
It's a fucking label you can apply so you can dismiss my criticism. That's fine I understand you need that but it doesn't make it true. You can label me as that but I don't have to accept it and I don't. What I want is to be rewarded for my time NOT BE SUBJECT TO RNG or do fucking dailies. The game doesn't reward me for the time I invest and no activity in the game feels rewarding enough. YOu consider that self entitled, I don't. that's just something you throw around to dismiss people with criticism.
Last edited by Leonard McCoy; 2013-03-10 at 03:13 AM.
Holy crap you just like to whine. I'm agreeing with your point, and you still whine, you honestly can't see that people just disagree with you because you act like a child when you don't get your way.
If you want Blizzard to change an opinion then post on the official forums. Hell, if I see a post that is talking about 5 mans, I'll post my support. This is a community site, I think you are a shitty member of the community, therefore I want you gone, has nothing to do with your "Standing up to the man (Blizzard)." It has to do the fact with your a crappy person, who immediately blames everyone else (Crying that we are turning on you).
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I'm not dismissing the criticism. It's valid, the way your present it is not, and if I worked for Blizzard I would ignore you. My label applies, no one wants to accept the bad things people say about them, but that doesn't make them less true.
You get rewarded, valor/JP/Blues, you don't get everything in the game from doing one aspect. If you want to progress your character, you have to do things that progress. Hopefully they will add new dungeons, but just because you feel you deserve more for doing dungeons doesn't make you right.