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    Question Need help with math.

    Hello!

    Right now I'm doing some math since I don't have anything better to do atm and it is always good to be ahead of schedule. I've come across a problem which I cannot solve by myself and I would like some help.

    The problem is following:

    Let f(x) = ax + b. Define a and b so f(ax + b) = x + 1.

    The answer sheet says that gives a squared = 1 and that gives b = 0.5.

    I can't comprehend this, any help would be appreciated!

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    f(x) = ax + b

    Then f(ax + b) = a(ax + b) + b = x + 1, right?

    Mess around from there, the answer given appears correct.

    Let's all ride the Gish gallop.

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    I've gotten to a^2 x + ab + b= x +1 / divide by x
    a^2 + ab + b = 1

    Which proves that either I or the answer sheet is incorrect(since a squared should be = 1), dunno which though :/

    From there i could go to
    a=(1/a) - 2b but I don't see the point in that :/
    Last edited by mittacc; 2013-03-17 at 04:33 PM.

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    That divide by x isn't going to work. you'd end up with a^2 + ab/x + b/x = 1 + 1/x

    Let's all ride the Gish gallop.

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    a^2 x + ab + b= x +1 => a^2 = 1 and that ab + b = 1
    a^2 = 1 => a=+1,-1
    a=1 => b+b=1 => b=0.5
    a=-1 => -b+b=1 => 0=1 false => b can only be 0.5
    Last edited by stalkerzzzz; 2013-03-17 at 04:42 PM.

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    f(x)=ax + b
    f(ax+b)= a(ax+b)+b = a^2*x + ab + b

    Since the only factor containing an x is (a^2*x) that must mean that the coefficient (a^2) must be equal to the coefficient of (x) which is then 1.
    From here you see that the remaining factors (ab + b) need to make up the constant in the right side of your equation (1).
    Either you just see from here that in order for (ab + b) to be 1 (b) needs to be (0,5) since (a=1) or you could solve it like this:

    ab+b = 1
    a=1
    1b + b = 1
    2b = 1
    b = 1/2

    This leaves us with a=1 and b=0,5

    Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heheMongot View Post
    f(x)=ax + b
    f(ax+b)= a(ax+b)+b = a^2*x + ab + b

    Since the only factor containing an x is (a^2*x) that must mean that the coefficient (a^2) must be equal to the coefficient of (x) which is then 1.
    From here you see that the remaining factors (ab + b) need to make up the constant in the right side of your equation (1).
    Either you just see from here that in order for (ab + b) to be 1 (b) needs to be (0,5) since (a=1) or you could solve it like this:

    ab+b = 1
    a=1
    1b + b = 1
    2b = 1
    b = 1/2

    This leaves us with a=1 and b=0,5

    Hope this helps.
    Cleared it up quite a bit, but I bolded the part which confused me. How am I supposed to know that a squared * x = x and not 1?

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    Then b has to be x which it could. Another solution would be a=0 and b=x+1.

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    General solution:
    a(ax + b) + b = x + 1 =>
    (a^2-1)x = -(a+1)b+1
    Now to find solution we divide both parts by (a^2-1), but we have to check a case where it is 0:
    1) a^2-1 = 0 => a^2 = 1, again 2 cases:
    1.1) a=1 => 0 = -2b+1 => b = 1/2 (our answer)
    1.2) a=-1 => 0 = 1 - false

    2) a^2 != 1 ; x = -((a+1)b+1)/(a^2-1) - doesn't fit original task since any given a/b supposed to be constant (I assume) and independent from x, but technically heheMongot is somewhat correct, since a != -1; b=(1+x-a^2x)/(a+1) is also an answer.

    But in your case you should realise that in a function f(x) = ax+b, coefficient a defines an angle (it's tangens to be precise) between your line and x-axis and b defines it's shift along the axis.
    For two line functions to overlap, their a and b coefficiets have to be the same, otherwise they will only cross in one point or never. So we split original equation in 2 parts:
    a^2 (x) = 1 (x) & ab+b = 1 =>
    a = 1, b = 1/2
    Last edited by Elhana; 2013-03-17 at 06:57 PM.

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    f(x) = ax + b

    f(ax + b) = a(ax + b) + b = a^2(x) + ab + b

    Since y = x + 1 is a linear equation with slope of +1 and a y-intercept of +1 f(ax + b) needs to have the same slope and same y-intercept.

    The slope coefficient of f(ax + b) is a^2 and needs to be equal to 1. a^2 = 1 a = +sqrt(1) or -sqrt(1) (a = -1, +1)

    To find the y-intercept (b) we solve ab + b = 1 (this is the static portion of the linear equation and thus corresponds to the y-intercept) for both a = -1 and a = 1.

    a = 1: 1b + 1b = 1 => b = 1/2
    a = -1: -1b + b = 1 => 0 <> 1 (no solution)

    Thus for both lines to be exactly the same a needs to be 1, and b needs to be 1/2.
    Last edited by Cairhiin; 2013-03-18 at 01:53 PM.

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