Wiping in lfr is worse.
When you have a repair bill of nearly 200g thanks to Durumu the Forgotten and Primodius
Punishing people just because people ask them to be punished is a bigger problem than no loot.
Guarantee it - next LFR pick a random person - dps, healer or tank and say in raid "Kick X - afk", they get removed no trial, no chance to do anything to save the last couple of hours of effort.
Last edited by schwarzkopf; 2013-04-08 at 02:10 PM.
I think it would be very interesting to see Blizzard implement the LFR loot system to Normal and Heroic raids, as well as dungeons/heroics. Then lets see how many people are "Really" ok with RNG. Ive been playing this game since the earliest days of Vanilla, never let my sub lapse. I have raided on all levels from server first raids to social raiding and everything in between. I assure you at no point in time or level of difficulty in this game has loot been rarer to come by. I can guarantee anyone that very few put more effort and time into this game then I, the amount of NO luck across 11 toons shows that this is not just a case of bad RNG anymore, its much worse.
The fact that you see TONS of individuals complaining shows the majority are not being rewarded for the Time and Effort put into the game. To those who are saying stop bitching....YOU need to stop going from one extreme to the other. I think most of us are reasonable people and are fine with not getting loot ALL the time, we a more balanced system. Saying we are entitled babies because we dont see loot after MONTHS of endless grinding....is complete bullshit. The valor argument doesn't apply either, only so many slots you can fill and no Tier.
Lets be honest you so called Raiders, just because your doing the same content with an additional mechanic or two, with the bosses amped up on steroids does not make you more of a raider then those doing it only in LFR. LFR easier? absolutely but on paper it is still a raid, working with other people to to tackle the content. So stop treating LFR raiders as second class and any issue they have is nothing more then whining. At the end of the day The put as much time into the game if not more (people such as myself) then you do. So why shouldn't they be rewarded for the Time they put into the game?
Lastly, just because RNG has been the way this whole time does not make it a good system. Never has been and never will be a good system. I don't buy it they aren't in it for the loot. You take away the loot, and this game dies quickly. No reason to continue raiding after the first clear, as you have already seen and beat the content.
My favorite example of the shitty RNG system....You work 80 hours then you roll the dice to see if you get your paycheck, damn! no paycheck o. well here's an apple for a snack today. Be happy you got that apple and better luck next pay day! Yuuup show me where there would not be riots if that took place.
Aku, Soku, Zan
Getting the same pair of pants three weeks in a row off Sha with coin roll >.<
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In the end, in my opinion, gear is just gear. It gets replaced all the time. So why cry over something that will be replaced? And yes, I have been through raid tiers without ever upgrading certain pieces because Lady Luck did not think I deserved it.
I'm still convinced that if you do the math (even factoring in that your odds improve every time it drops and you don't win if you run with a consistent group) you'd be just as likely to find people who haven't gotten gear in a regular raid team after a certain amount of attempts as you would in LFR. The difference is a raid guild sees the gear going to someone in the team and still considers the drops a good thing, where in LFR it's bad unless *I* get something.
LFR is normalized around 25 man raid fall rate, but has no intelligence behind it. Imagine that if in your raid, instead of the weapon you wanted falling 3 times and going to 3 separate people, you were forced to roll amongst all 3 people every time and the same guy won it every time.
THAT is the difference between LFR loot and normal raid loot. Blind stupidity on the part of the loot system and NO increase in the rate to compensate for the fact that the system wastes loot at a huge rate.
Even in old LFR at double the current tier LFR drop rate, loot is very hit or miss and a ton of it is going where it isn't needed so that people aren't feeling rewarded for their time.
Blizzard is in a full blown panic over people running out of things to do right now and they are giving no consideration to the fact that people don't just want things to do, they want to be rewarded for their time and effort. LFR loot as it is right now, is about the poorest return on effort in the game and after hitting honored this week, I plan on hitting an occasional boss with a weapon and not setting foot in it and hopefully a lot of people will be smart enough to join me.