Explosions At Boston Marathon

[Wilian]

You might as well just come out and say that we deserve it. I'm disgusted by this current administration and its hawkish military tactics. Does that mean I deserve to be witness or victim to a bomb?

No, I'd rather see no bombing at all. It doesn't change fact that US by it's own actions have given thousands of people if not a reason, then excuse to initiate these hostilities.

[Elegiac]

No, I'd rather see no bombing at all. It doesn't change fact that US by it's own actions have given thousands of people if not a reason, then excuse to initiate these hostilities.

Even if the US didn't do any bombings, they'd still be malcontents; they use it as a means of deflecting attention and distracting themselves from their own problems.

[Grizzly Willy]

No, I'd rather see no bombing at all. It doesn't change fact that US by it's own actions have given thousands of people if not a reason, then excuse to initiate these hostilities.

But you would agree that were a bomb to befall me, you would say I had it coming by virtue of being an American, right? It only makes sense that we suffer for the acts of our leaders, even those of us who hadn't voted for them. They have an excuse, and I do agree that those who have been victimized by drone strikes have every right to hate America, so a bombing is just the score being settled. Well, maybe not equally, I would imagine it would only be even when several thousand are killed.

[Wilian]

But you would agree that were a bomb to befall me, you would say I had it coming by virtue of being an American, right?

[/QUOTE]

No but that's not how they will see it and I try to look at this from every PoV.

[Grizzly Willy]

No but that's not how they will see it and I try to look at this from every PoV.

Edit: Misunderstood the quote.

If you don't agree, would you still say that it's an acceptable course of action to take? A bomb for a bomb?

[Collegeguy]

No, I'd rather see no bombing at all. It doesn't change fact that US by it's own actions have given thousands of people if not a reason, then excuse to initiate these hostilities.

There is never an excuse. It's as dumb as trying to justify bigotry.

[Todgruppe]

No, I'd rather see no bombing at all. It doesn't change fact that US by it's own actions have given thousands of people if not a reason, then excuse to initiate these hostilities.

No, I'd rather see no bombing at all. It doesn't change fact that others by their own actions have given thousands of people if not a reason, then excuse to initiate these hostilities.

Cyclical arguments are fun.

[Wilian]

Edit: Misunderstood the quote.

If you don't agree, would you still say that it's an acceptable course of action to take? A bomb for a bomb?

It's not acceptable at all. But I can see why they would feel like doing it.

[Grizzly Willy]

There is never an excuse. It's as dumb as trying to justify bigotry.

There is a point to be had, though. Our military brazenly bombs innocents in the name of fighting terrorism, but that hardly ever makes the news here. Why is that? Shouldn't we be outraged over the lack of value our representatives place on the lives of others? Are we to assume that their lives are worth less than ours? Isn't that, in a way, monstrous? It doesn't validate the attacks on us, but it certainly gives us something to think about. We should desire an end to all of this, not just on our shores, but on the shores of foreign nations.

[Cybran]

Even if the US didn't do any bombings, they'd still be malcontents; they use it as a means of deflecting attention and distracting themselves from their own problems.

People don't resort to terrorism, because of "their own problems".

[Wilian]

People don't resort to terrorism, because of "their own problems".

How was it that Bush put it...

Oh right. "They hate our freedom!"

[Todgruppe]

People don't resort to terrorism, because of "their own problems".

Interesting talk from TED.

http://www.ted.com/talks/loretta_nap...terrorism.html

We should desire an end to all of this, not just on our shores, but on the shores of foreign nations.

Aye, but you have a solution for that?

Can always go the Rand al'Thor route (PSEUDO SPOILER FROM NEWEST WHEEL OF TIME)

Declare all borders closed, and dissolve the majority of all militaries. Grievances would solved by an arbiter force. The arbiter force could be overturned by a 2/3 majority of countries.

And no, this isn't the UN or NATO or EU, the third party has no national ties, more similar to FFL. Nearly the entirety of world military might would have to be consolidated by said group. They would also have stations in every country for deployment, but no "home country". Would be roamers essentially.

Edit: They would also have to a force of altruistic people. No narcissists/ASPD/pyschopathy allowed.

[Deleted]

91 Dead and over 200 injured in Baghdad bombings today, it's not even on the front page of BBC news anymore. Perspective.

America is getting what it deserves.

You sir, Need to get the **** out of here. YOU need to realise even tho it is your opinion it is highly offensive to people, including me. No country deserves this not 'America' and not iraq either. But what you do need to remember is that iraq is a warzone and boston is not. So please stop posting, An event like this is bad enough as it is, no need to have a *Trying to find a nice word to say* making it worse.

[Merkava]

No, I'd rather see no bombing at all. It doesn't change fact that US by it's own actions have given thousands of people if not a reason, then excuse to initiate these hostilities.

There's a huge difference between "reason" or "excuse". The word "reason" implies some element of rationality or justification. The word "excuse" implies, to me at least, that someone may have acted in an opportunistic manner and are simply looking for a way to explain an action they possibly know to be wrong. Do you see what I'm getting at?

If you say that, for example, that Al Qaeda used Sergio Vieira de Mallo's work in helping East Timor transition to independence as an excuse to blow him up, along with 21 others, then I have no problem with that.

If however, you say that Al Qaeda was justified when they murdered a UN civil servant because he participated in the unlawful removal of country from the Islamic Caliphate, well then I would have some more questions for you.

[Collegeguy]

People don't resort to terrorism, because of "their own problems".

People don't commit suicide when they have something to live for either. Idk, strapping bombs to your chest I would call your own personal problem.

[Grizzly Willy]

People don't commit suicide when they have something to live for either. Idk, strapping bombs to your chest I would call your own personal problem.

Maybe we could stop giving them problems?

[Todgruppe]

Maybe we could stop giving them problems?

Again cyclical. Us vs Them.

[Slant]

I'm just surprised the US hasn't decided to invade Iran for this yet...

[Jaxi]

My money is on either:

- An amateur Al Qaeda affiliate.
- An extremist protesting the gun laws.

Either way, all we need to do is for someone to brag about it and deal with them accordingly.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a homegrown terrorist that brainwashed himself on those online publications from Al-Qaeda of Yemen.

[Kaleredar]

Maybe we could stop giving them problems?

Human beings will go long ways to find problems that others are supposedly inflicting on them.