Is Garrosh's low opinion of the other Horde races justified?

[Arrowstormen]

Fantasy and stories should be thought about, the questions that fantasy worlds ask is what makes them amazing and important. However, in the case of Garrosh, there is just no question about whether or not he's wrong. It's pretty obvious that he's the bad guy, we knew all along that we would kill him for going too far, he's been an ass for most of his time as a character.

---------- Post added 2013-04-25 at 09:55 PM ----------

Not immediately. Hamuul Runetotem and other druids (mostly Night Elves) were attacked and butchered in Ashenvale, first. The attack appeared to be orchestrated by orcs loyal to Garrosh, as Garrosh had just recently and openly spoken about destroying the Night Elves...

Hamuul survived, and the news he brought back to Cairne caused the High Chieftain to then confront Garrosh and issue the Mak'gora.

Garrosh was a huge moron, taking on Cairne's challenge, even making it a duel to the death, without actually knowing what Cairne was angry about in the first place. "I have no idea what you're talking about, but whatever it is I would totally have done it anyway, lol"

[Maximus Testiculos]

I don't think Blizzard gave us a racist character (from the beginning that is). Dramatic irony dictates "Pride comes before fall." Like Garithos he will alienate himself from his allies out of pride, seek darker ones out of desperation and pay for his arrogance.

Consider this: Garithos was the racist Commander who sent (Blood)Elves and dwarves to the front to counter the scourge threat. He clearly states that they are worthless next to human lives and throws their entire people in jail for surviving with the help of the "demonic" Naga.

Later after the Blood Elves and the Naga leave Azeroth. Garrosh is alone and outnumbered by Scourge. He makes a deal with Sylvannas and Valimathras to help him rid the land of the Scourge. Sylvannas tires of his constant insults and Valimathras rips him apart.

Had Garithos been a good guy instead of a douche he would have treated Kael'thas as an equal and fought valiantly against the Scourge and who knows they might have won. He didn't and neither will Garrosh. That wouldn't be an interesting story.

If the Horde is family, "You don't F**k with family.

No. Sylvanas is a douche. The deal was offered by sylvanas and she was the one to break it. Even if he was nice sylvanas would still break it and kill him.
And garithos fought against the scourge when everyone else was running away, he was the one that protected many refugees and took back a large portion from the scourge.
I think ( while being prejudiced ) does not deserve this sargeras level of hatred. He is a regular character.

[Ragashii]

I think Garrosh is completely just in thinking some of the other races are beneath the orcs. Afterall, it is the orcs who shoulder much of the burden when it comes to everything. The elves are few in number and only leech off the hordes strength until they can make it their own. That's all the elves have ever done. They leeched magic from nature, leeched magic from the sunwell, leeched magic from demons and went so far as to leech from a Naa'ru. All for power, because they have none of their own. The undead are not to be trusted for obvious reasons, since they possess a plague that can kill anything. The trolls have done nothing besides hold hands with the orcs and borrow their strength since the horde settled down. Before that, they were useful and helped out quite a lot. That's why Thrall holds them so highly because he remembers before the horde existed. But Garrosh? No he has seen nothing from the trolls besides empty threats. I don't think that he can call the Tauren weak though. Especially since one kicked his ass and would've killed him without outside influence.

[Kojo]

So many people completely oblivious.

[bledgor]

Personal Negligence is never a good reason for bad decisions, especially for such a large leadership position. Early on, sure he could make those mistakes and not be bad off, but he has been the leader of the horde for YEARS and has made no effort to get to know the races that make up the horde, what has happened to the races, the leaders of each respective group. When you neglect your job that poorly in something as important as the biggest contributors to your horde for SUCH a long time, you have failed at your job and need replacement. After his continuous failures to attack one of your allies in cold (the attack on Vol'jin was pretty cold and calculating) I could care less if you live or not.

[Ragashii]

Personal Negligence is never a good reason for bad decisions, especially for such a large leadership position. Early on, sure he could make those mistakes and not be bad off, but he has been the leader of the horde for YEARS and has made no effort to get to know the races that make up the horde, what has happened to the races, the leaders of each respective group. When you neglect your job that poorly in something as important as the biggest contributors to your horde for SUCH a long time, you have failed at your job and need replacement. After his continuous failures to attack one of your allies in cold (the attack on Vol'jin was pretty cold and calculating) I could care less if you live or not.

newsflash: Garrosh isn't here to be your friend. He's here to get shit done. He's not going to sit down and get to know everyone on a personal level. He's in a management position and is trying to make things as efficient as possible. He's already stated multiple times that he will do anything to secure the future for the horde. But you're too stuck in the here and now to see a glorious future on the horizon. Thrall did nothing for the horde, under his rule the only progress was that he got proficient in shining alliance boots. And he wanted the same for the rest of us. So many of you wanted war, and once we have the means to turn ourselves into a war machine you cry foul. Garrosh is a tactical genius, if he had more victories like Theramore the whole continent would be red by now. Admit it, it was amazing how he made the alliance squirm, and send their best generals and then wipe them out in an instant. He used the very same campaign to test the loyalty of those around him. And do you know what he saw? An ambassador from the blood elves and forsaken, a whining troll and a stubborn tauren and a greedy fat Goblin. All ready to be brought in line, but they lacked the discipline and conviction to stand with their leader. All the horde lacks is discipline...

[Deleted]

The problem is Garrosh looks at the other races as divisions in his army. he still thinks like a military commander, not like a "president" of his faction. All he sees are weak divisions that don't follow his orders. Now, from a military commander point, if someone doesn't follow your orders, in orc culture, you execute them. So from his point, Garrosh did the right thing trying to go against Vol'jin. And from the point of every military orc too, this is why the orcs are on Garrosh's side. However, Garrosh didn't understand he's no longer just a military commander, he's more, and as such he first needs to see the problem if someone declines his order, for it doesn't work like that.

[bledgor]

newsflash: Garrosh isn't here to be your friend. He's here to get shit done. He's not going to sit down and get to know everyone on a personal level. He's in a management position and is trying to make things as efficient as possible. He's already stated multiple times that he will do anything to secure the future for the horde. But you're too stuck in the here and now to see a glorious future on the horizon. Thrall did nothing for the horde, under his rule the only progress was that he got proficient in shining alliance boots. And he wanted the same for the rest of us. So many of you wanted war, and once we have the means to turn ourselves into a war machine you cry foul. Garrosh is a tactical genius, if he had more victories like Theramore the whole continent would be red by now. Admit it, it was amazing how he made the alliance squirm, and send their best generals and then wipe them out in an instant. He used the very same campaign to test the loyalty of those around him. And do you know what he saw? An ambassador from the blood elves and forsaken, a whining troll and a stubborn tauren and a greedy fat Goblin. All ready to be brought in line, but they lacked the discipline and conviction to stand with their leader. All the horde lacks is discipline...

Newsflash: Being a good leader means knowing your most important vassals, and treating them with respect. As a manager it is your job to know your employees, to know their strengths and weaknesses, not to tell them they are garbage or useless, as that will not make them work better or respect you.

Garrosh has done nothing but taint the horde, if the horde REALLY wanted to "win" like you seem to desire they would make Slyvannas leader, as she can/will do anything to win.

Garrosh is a tactical idiot, he has done nothing but want to blitz the ally since he got control, and has no concept of the bigger picture. He is a racist who only values his own people and sees the rest of the horde as servants to further his agenda.

He isnt even a good warrior, he was getting thrashed by Thrall before they got interrupted, and Carine had him down and out till the poison won the battle. Garrosh is a failure in every since as a leader, warrior, and Orc.

[prwraith]

That's a fair point. If you want to win at all costs. You go Sylvanas.

If you want to be a good leader you go Bain / Lor'themar

[Syferite]

I'm still hoping to get an official statement of who drew first blood after Northrend before coming to a conclusion with how I feel about Garrosh. Is he a victim of circumstance or just a child tyrant?

[Ragashii]

Newsflash: Being a good leader means knowing your most important vassals, and treating them with respect. As a manager it is your job to know your employees, to know their strengths and weaknesses, not to tell them they are garbage or useless, as that will not make them work better or respect you.

Garrosh has done nothing but taint the horde, if the horde REALLY wanted to "win" like you seem to desire they would make Slyvannas leader, as she can/will do anything to win.

Garrosh is a tactical idiot, he has done nothing but want to blitz the ally since he got control, and has no concept of the bigger picture. He is a racist who only values his own people and sees the rest of the horde as servants to further his agenda.

He isnt even a good warrior, he was getting thrashed by Thrall before they got interrupted, and Carine had him down and out till the poison won the battle. Garrosh is a failure in every since as a leader, warrior, and Orc.

Sylvannas doesn't know how to win, she doesn't even know what she' supposed to be doing now. She's like Thrall, she had one goal which was to destroy that which created her. Thralls one goal was to rally the orcs and go to Kalimdor, but that wasn't even his own goal. That was the prophets goal for him, Thrall has never done anything for himself. The humans took care of him his entire life and the prophet told him what to do. Once he got to durotar and set up orgrimmar he had no idea what he was supposed to do and it showed. Sylvannas tried to kill herself after the lich king got replaced, she doesn't even have a purpose anymore. People think she's this badass, but she's not. She was only vindictive and cold thanks to Arthas, and the thought of seeing him dead. Maybe if she still had one singular goal in her mind like Garrosh does I would agree with you.

[icausewipes]

Garrosh low opinion of the other races is justified.