Oh my girlfriend reminded me of another big reason DHs are associated with Rogues; the crouched stealth stance DHs take is something only Rogues do.
Dont get me wrong, I dont think warlocks should be given a 4th spec, saying that they are demon hunters, but i am one to say, if any class gets the fourth spec saying demon hunter, it would be warlocks. The Lore somewhat goes, but NOT really. Its about being vengeful and either using demonic power against demonic power, or simply a blood lust to kill demons, essentially makes you a demon hunter, this is speaking logically of course, not role playing. A demon hunter CLASS is different then a person simply hunting demons. Demon hunters kill demons, from what i gathered from playing illidan in wc3, and I mean KILL demons, rather than simply sending them back to the twisting nether (other demon hunters), ie. tichondrias. Normal people, from what I have gathered, are unable to actually kill a demon, as they are sent back to the twisting nether, but true demon hunters on the other hand, I believe they are able too, as Tichondrias has not been mentioned alive nor has shown his ugly head, and was quite surprised while illidan was killing him in wc3.
But, the entirety of rogues getting the 4th spec demon hunters is completely absurd. There is not even a scrap of lore pointing to it, besides "ohhhh they duel wield, and illidan in well of eternity uses some shadow spells." His stealth is a shadow spell. Rogues are not nor have been demon hunters. Hell you can even go as far as saying, they will never be demon hunters, as they would probably get the warden spec from wc3, as it more resembles them, if they were getting a 4th spec.
As for rogues and DH, both are lightly armored, agile, dual wielding melee fighters. Rogues and Warlocks are the closest things to them we currently have, though neither quite fits. DHs are somewhere in between those two.
If I had to choose one of the two absurd warlock or rogue options to take in a demon hunter spec I'd say the warlock is the least absurd but still absurd enough for me to not play it...
The reason it would fall to rogues way before locks is this:
If you rolled a class wanting to be a Demon Hunter, you rolled rogue..
Rogues have shadow magic. Granted, it's like ninja shadow magic, but still.
Obviously, DHs should be their own class. But there's already a lot of evidence that we have classes rolled together. The ninja is already a pirate / thief / ninja. The warrior is a knight / barbarian / weapons master. The paladin is a cleric / paladin / some-kind-of-turtle-thing. The shaman is a warrior-shaman, a medicine man, and a tempest-mage. You can see VERY different classes getting rolled in here, and that's by design. If they are going to add demon hunter, a dual wield melee guy, to any class, it would definitely be rogue.
They would be much more likely to make it its own thing, however. Likely a tank / mdps / mdps like warriors and DKs, or even a tank / mdps / rdps, which would be pretty fresh. As a new class they would likely assign it mail for gearing purposes, but maybe go some route to keep the correct look of the DK.
Lock really wouldn't make any sense. Warlocks can't even parry!
But stuff like blink and spirit of vengeance... eh.
Demon Hunters are not in game, and it's somewhat speculative, but based on established lore, they are different enough from Warlocks to warrant being their own class. The parallel to the Paladin is there.
A Melee warlock is still a Warlock, any way you see it. A Brewmaster is still a Monk. An Arms Warrior is still a Warrior. Demon Hunters would have to become Warlocks for this change to happen.
To make Demon Hunters a part of the Warlock class would be like taking the current Paladin and folding it into the Priest as a spec. It would be breaking Warlock identity to fit in a playable melee spec (that fits to what a Demon Hunter is), and it would be changing Demon Hunter lore to become a Warlock specialization.
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"I quit WoW."
If I say it's Azshara next enough times, eventually I'll be right. So here we go again. It's got to be Azshara next, so get ready for the Sylvanas expansion we inevitably get instead!
Night elf archaeology
Anyway, they are seen wielding more than those, such as glaives (the ones in the firelands).
And you really think that is plate? I can make my warlock look like she is wearing plate, I make my rogue look like she is wearing plate. The look does not mean it is plate.
Dokhidamo, the concern of a DH being only relevant for one expansion, is quite dumb to believe. WE WILL NEVER defeat the legion in wow. They are the biggest threat, and they will always come back. Hence burning crusade and the next legion themed expansion. Unlike death knights, sadly, there is always a threat of the legion.
DHs are not Locks.
They do have some similar lore, but it not similar to the point of saying they are the same. If they were, then any class would be demon hunter, as demon hunters are basically people who hunt demons out of revenge. You can even call a paladin a demon hunter based on that logic.
What makes a demon hunter, a Demon Hunter CLASS is the training they go through, the rituals, the fighting style, the class of magic they use, the reasons why they decide to become a demon hunter, and the only way to truly become a demon hunter is through the training of another.
Rogues already have a demon hunter ability. Illidan uses Shadow Walk to cloak the group in the WoE instance. While rogues have a spell called Shadow Walk it doesn't do the same effect- but Shroud of Concealment does(I think they mixed up the names but w/e)
Not to say Rogues are Demon hunters, but have some of their aesthetics while the rest goes to warlock.
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Since you actually do this, pics or it didn't happen. I'm not aware of a plate-a-like set for rogues.I make my rogue look like she is wearing plate.
With wow transmog, maybe not. But in WCIII, yes it does.The look does not mean it is plate.
I don't think anyone argues that they would make an excellent hero class.What makes a demon hunter, a Demon Hunter CLASS is the training they go through, the rituals, the fighting style, the class of magic they use, the reasons why they decide to become a demon hunter, and the only way to truly become a demon hunter is through the training of another.
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