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  1. #361
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    There is nothing wrong with the game. MOP is by far the best version of WOW yet.

    What do 1.3 million unsubbing in China have to do with me?
    @Ghostcrawler:Some advice: [My pet issue] is why there were sub losses is one of the weaker arguments players use. Players don't have that data.

  2. #362
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    There is nothing on Argus. It's just one of millions of conquered Legion worlds.
    This is a major Legion world of the Eredar. I really doubt they will not have this come into play. Infact they had warlocks go to one of the conquered worlds Xerrath. But never got past development stages into ptr.
    '"Can your blood atone for genocide, orc? Your Horde killed countless innocents with its rampage across Stormwind and Lordaeron. Do you really think you can just sweep all that away and cast aside your guilt so easily? No, your kind will never change, and I will never stop fighting you."
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  3. #363
    Quote Originally Posted by loki504 View Post
    op why not play on a vanilla private server. i'm 100% sure you won't like it one bit. all you did was revert things to save time.
    and alot of people have problem with MoP being not alt friendly because everyting takes times. there just things YOU like not what alot of people like.
    I tried a Vanilla Server the other day ...NOPE NOPE NOPE I quickly remembered why Vanilla needs to stay buried, for the very few goods things it had there were a million bad things.

    Skill Trees being one of them ... my god, no idea how Blizz ever thought Vanilla Skill trees were compelling gameplay, don't even get me started on how bad pet management was. No for all the nostalgia I am glad Vanilla is gone never to return, it had its time and was found lacking.

    I do however have a Blizz Like 2.4.3 TBC server I am quite fond of, if I had to choose any expansion to have as a legacy server it would be TBC 2.4.3.
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  4. #364
    WoW doesn't need saving. It's still by far the biggest mmo on the market. And despite people's nitpicking, Blizzard does put alot of passion into it. People often ignore this when something isn't the way they like it. That said, Blizz has another mmo coming out. And eventually, it will take much of the playerbase from wow. That is when WoW will "Die". But even still, alot of people will still play it. Look at games like Everquest/UO. Those games are old as fuck, and people still play them and are passionate about them.
    Perfect example of why "community" forums are poisonous to the health of a development team. These developers are wasting hundreds of hours trying to stem the tide of incessant bitchery that would never, ever abate so long as these entitled, unfortunate human beings don't get their way.

  5. #365
    Blizzard makes their games for the masses, not for the hardcore.

    The only reason other games don't have flying in them is because it's much more easier (translation: MUCH MORE CHEAPER) to do it like that.

    Anyway, it's funny to see someone complaining there is no world PvP, while there are like 3 billion people complaining about... too much world PvP because of CRZ...

  6. #366
    TBH, if you like it or not, WoW is the default go to mmo u allways end up going back to, for how meny years have ppl said "oh this X mmo is the end of wow" and the mmo just last 2 months before the subs drops like stones, and guess 2 times what game 80% of that player base crawls back to.

    I admit it, WoW is my mmo i will allways go back to. (its far from my first mmo!) I miss the old days (Lineage 2) , though L2 was destroyed by farmers and its a korean grinder.


    As you said, the old school player base is growing older, and thats why i think WoW is still going to be popular to some of the old school players, as you get older, less time you have to play and mmo "hardcore" , in other words the casual side of WoW is just perfect, you can still raid , but dont have to be in a hardcore raid, nor do you have to join pugs to get ure achivements and work ure ranks that way, if youre a PVP player that cant play much , you just have to play ure 10 or whatever matches each week.

    TBH, after reading the first pages; and im a active player since Beta, (- 2 months total):

    - i dont miss running to the dungeons, just to get chain ganked by a guild of retards, nor do i miss standing in ogri/stormwind shouting for hours for a group either.

    - i dont miss having to grind STV early in the morning / late when the kids have gone to bed with their lvl 60 shit geared rogue vs ure lvl 40

    - i dont miss having to play for months to hit cap, just to start gearing up, week of grinding is just perfect as it is , and still you learn the basics of ure class.

    - having diffrent zones / new zones is a REALY good thing, u get tierd of the same places fast, and a new area with a new look / feel is just what you need, but i agree some zones is dead , thats why the CZ came , and now the zones is packed with ppl to group with again..

    - but there is one thing i miss, its the world pvp we had back in the days between south shore and terren mill, the rest of the "world" pvp was great till one
    couldnt take the humiliation of a good 1on1 or 1v2 or 2v3 or whatever, and had to bring on their hole guild to hunt you down.

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    As said earlier in this thread, if u dont like the game, leave! no need to make a cry thread and think ppl care about why you are quiting, or whatever reason why you hate wow or whatever, because no body cares, ure nobody just like me and everyone else in this game, you make no diffrence...
    Play what u like and dont tell anyone what they should do and should not. WoW is fine as it is, and far as i know, no mmo can match it, even if they would like to.. (and dont bring up some F2P mmo sub shit, tierd of it, name a mmo that makes more money then wow)
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  7. #367
    Quote Originally Posted by Mosotti View Post
    Blizzard makes their games for the masses, not for the hardcore.

    The only reason other games don't have flying in them is because it's much more easier (translation: MUCH MORE CHEAPER) to do it like that.

    Anyway, it's funny to see someone complaining there is no world PvP, while there are like 3 billion people complaining about... too much world PvP because of CRZ...
    Blizzard tries to make game with something for everyone. Which is the smart way to go about it. And they've achieved that very well. But people ignore this when it's convenient.
    Perfect example of why "community" forums are poisonous to the health of a development team. These developers are wasting hundreds of hours trying to stem the tide of incessant bitchery that would never, ever abate so long as these entitled, unfortunate human beings don't get their way.

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    I was able to follow through the thread, and with tons of other threads, even YAHOO! showing this on there Front Page ( http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged...233637952.html ) - it just goes to show... how much a video game.. can change the lives of people who DON'T EVEN GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WOW

  9. #369
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post
    Although I agree with the OP's analyses. I do not agree with the solution.

    All the things you've listed are things they should never have implemented to begin with. You can't fix convenience in an online game.

    Adding convenience to an online game is like doing drugs. It feels good for a while, but in the longterm you're going to be stuck with it and only see how badly it ruined everything.
    I agree with this poster's view. I suspect it is a privately held view among some people at blizzard too. There have been a couple of oddly phrased comments from named persons there over time that make you wonder if they even agree with what they said.
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  10. #370
    Quote Originally Posted by KeirAdish View Post
    and 10x more time wasted that I could be running the dungeons I want to be running rather than PvPing...

    I'm all for world PvP, and ganking even, but when it gets to where you can get a raid of bored people to sit outside a dungeon and ensure nobody from the other faction has any chance at getting it... that's just not fun...
    Well then you run in instead. you die once, then ghost to the enterence ress and run in.

  11. #371
    Quote Originally Posted by Addiena View Post
    I tried a Vanilla Server the other day ...NOPE NOPE NOPE I quickly remembered why Vanilla needs to stay buried, for the very few goods things it had there were a million bad things.

    Skill Trees being one of them ... my god, no idea how Blizz ever thought Vanilla Skill trees were compelling gameplay, don't even get me started on how bad pet management was. No for all the nostalgia I am glad Vanilla is gone never to return, it had its time and was found lacking.

    I do however have a Blizz Like 2.4.3 TBC server I am quite fond of, if I had to choose any expansion to have as a legacy server it would be TBC 2.4.3.
    indeed tbc had it charms.

  12. #372
    That wouldn't do anything but make all the casual players leave, hell it would probably make me leave too, I don't play wow to have a second job I play it to unwind after a long day. So how again is this supposed to save wow when it would get rid of probably half the playerbase?

  13. #373
    Quote Originally Posted by Nihth View Post
    Well then you run in instead. you die once, then ghost to the enterence ress and run in.
    Assuming you don't have the slightest bit of latency and get hit by any of the DK's standing there looking at the instance tab/death gripping to pull you away as soon as you res.

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    I can totally see what the op is getting at, immersion is a big part of games like wow and it's part of what makes it special. I never played in the days before wrath that much so I can't really say from experience, but I have to say that even in wrath when I went outside of Dalaran or any of the other capital cities I would at least find a few people, even if it was just for dailies and what not, but there were for sure people there. I would honestly love to see more world based content and maybe even some more world pvp content that is actually engaging and entertaining enough to make it popular with people actually participating.

    Though some of the stuff wouldn't really work, the reason there are those level 90s protecting low level towns is because if they weren't, how many people would honestly make it out alive? You could just sit and gleefully let the low level guards that are protecting the town hit you as you giggle and their soft ticklish attacks, senselessly murdering anyone foolish enough to come round or try to even challenge you. I think phasing is a hard part to work with in the game since a lot of the more recent stuff requires it to be phased, like Krasarang Wilds for example, if there wasn't phasing you would have the people that were leveling there by quest and then all the level 90's that were partaking in the landfall events, it would really work to fit all that into one entire zone without stuff getting weird and compact. Making it so you had to travel more and actually explore and have a little mini adventure to get to the dungeons and raids and bgs does sound like fun, but honestly most people would still just sit in capital cities until two of their unlucky guild mates made it to the stone and simply summoned them, it wouldn't really fix anything on that part.
    As for putting all future expansions on Azeroth, I don't really feel like there is honestly much room left any more, with Northrend in the North, Eastern Kingdoms in the East, Kalimdor in the West and Pandaria in the South, along with the giant raging maelstrom churning at the middle of the sea, that only leaves the open oceans on the map for adding enough content areas for the needed places for an expansion to have. Going back to two points you brought up, the phasing and the do not add any new zones, how do you propose that happen? You can't just take the old zones and revamp them up to max levels and expect it to work like the old area it was for whatever level as well as working as the new higher level area. Phasing is a useful tool, and it helps get around problems like that.

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    One other thing, minor I'm sure but worth noting:

    You compliment BC as incredible while encouraging Blizzard to stay on Azeroth forevermore. A great deal of BC of course wasn't played out on Azeroth at all. So there's that.

    And for what it's worth, Northrend and Pandaria are both on Azeroth proper.

    Minor things but details matter when you're busy designing games.

    As for BC servers: they're around and not hard to find if you're of a mind to. There isn't any sign though that millions are truly interested in playing on any of them.
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    World of Warcraft has never been hardcore. A huge part of its success is it was much more casual compared to other mmorpg of the time. This is why it had such huge amount of subscribers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aang View Post
    If only you understood...
    If I only understood what? In a game of 8 million people, you aren't gonna find people to talk to in Trade, Dungeons, etc? KeirAdish who also quoted you seems to be doing fine by chatting to people. So what am I failing to understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrven View Post
    As often as ppl might say they didn't like the addition of those things or want them gone so many would flip out if they did cut them out. The players lost wouldn't just magically flock back to the game with the changes either. So we would be left with a game filled, briefly, with unhappy players as the numbers dipped lower and lower. If they redid things on Azeroth with no new zones for future expansions it would come at the cost of cutting out older stuff and hurting the lvling of new toons/players and enrage so many over a reskinned reused Azeroth.
    this all the the points op mentioned would raise a reasonable shitstorm - back in the days when people and game was young - people could afford spending time that was wasted ie by running to your corpse - now all people left from 10 years ago have grown up and got jobs/kids/family and are thankfull for these changes!

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    yes blizzard needs to take their head out of their asses and swallow their pride. the glory days are over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy View Post
    yes blizzard needs to take their head out of their asses and swallow their pride. the glory days are over.
    Shhh... go find the leaked information about the next expansion. It's out there if you look hard enough.

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