View Poll Results: What are the biggest misconceptions about casuals or the average WoW subscriber?

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  • That they like LFR

    3 4.76%
  • That they like LFD

    0 0%
  • That they enjoy dailies

    6 9.52%
  • That they appreciate excessive accessibility

    6 9.52%
  • That they like leveling alts

    1 1.59%
  • That they prefer the simplified talent choices

    4 6.35%
  • That they appreciate the homogenisation of all classes

    4 6.35%
  • That MoP gave them lots of content (dailies, pet battles, etc.)

    6 9.52%
  • That they don't like being part of a raidguild

    1 1.59%
  • That they don't like grouping up with other people

    7 11.11%
  • That they prefer easy content

    25 39.68%
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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by madassa648 View Post
    Indeed but you get people who forget that, folks who have a superiority complex because they have AMG EPIXS and you don't or got them through 'easy mode'. Forgetting that you (like me) don't have time to raid due to work or simply want to play the game to have fun (heaven forbid).
    I only log in to play 3 times a week (Tuesday, Wednesday, and Sunday) for a few hours and am still pushing heroic modes in Throne of Thunder.

    I'd consider that casual when I only play about 10 hours a week. Casual shouldn't be used as an excuse for poor play nor should it be used as an insult. Casual is a word that lost a lot of its meaning. People forget that casual has to do with time investment. Bad players use the "I'm a casual" excuse to explain why they're bad at the game, despite playing more than many heroic raiders. Then the elitists (often LFR raiders who play toooooo much WoW) use it as a way to complain about the game on forums to look bigger and better than they really are (if I yell really loud and insult everyone, maybe people will ignore my achieves and I'll be a cool kid!")

    Mists of Pandaria dailies for example did nothing for casuals. They made casual play harder as you spend what little time you have grinding out dailies for rep and valor instead of doing the fun stuff like dungeon crawling. If anything, Mists of Pandaria, despite having more end game content, caters more towards the "hardcore" players who can invest more time in a toon each week (much less multiple) than any game version since classic. Meanwhile, casual players are grinding dailies and have little time to actually play alts.
    Last edited by Bullettime; 2013-05-12 at 05:36 AM.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatestorm View Post
    Casuals don't want easy content. They want content that is accessible and doesn't take 9 years to unlock and do. If said content is challenging, so be it.
    I'm going to disagree with this, as I define myself as a casual. I only play MMO's or other video games probably 25~ hours a week, and that is going to go down soon. I do not care if things take a while to do, and I in fact think they should take a while to do. I think the things you earn should feel gratifying. If content doesn't take that long to do, and is easily accessed, it GREATLY dissolves any form of gratification you get from it. For example, the "Insane" title is likely extremely gratifying for those that skulked for long hours to earn it.

    I played Final Fantasy XI for six years before they turned it into a joke of a game in 2010, and I liked it simply because you had to put extra effort into getting anywhere. The community had to come together, you had to make friends, and content was challenging (Except Kings, those were awful).

    In any case, I think the biggest misconception would be "They prefer easy content". Most casuals prefer a challenge in favor of steamrolling. It's also very disheartening to think that even if you worked hard to make it into a successful progression raid guild, that everything you earned over the course of a few months would become mostly obsolete anyway. "That's just the way it is" people say. It doesn't have to be. For example...Byakko's Haidate was the best leg armor for most classes in the game for over six years on FF11. Suppanomimi was the best earring in the game for almost the same duration for any job that dual wielded (half the damage dealers in the game).

    I'm really hoping a future MMO will come out that goes back to these roots.

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    Needs a "None of the Above" option...

    Biggest misconception is casual = bad player.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Zafire View Post
    as I define myself as a casual. I only play MMO's or other video games probably 25~ hours a week,
    25 hours a week is NOT casual.

    You could raid 5 x 5h with that and this is way more than you need.

    Also about the loots being obsolete after 6 months. FF is about the loot, and the epicness of it all. The rpg series is and so is probably the MMO (haven't played it, but you seem to say so) WoW is not about the loot but about the journey, i really don't care AT ALL about the stuff i get, they are mere tools to get me further, and a cosmetic reminder of past journeys. (aka nostalgia)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neolol View Post
    ) WoW is not about the loot but about the journey, i really don't care AT ALL about the stuff i get, they are mere tools to get me further, and a cosmetic reminder of past journeys. (aka nostalgia)
    and for others its kinda the whole point of the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
    Needs a "None of the Above" option...

    Biggest misconception is casual = bad player.
    This is what I was thinking too.

    I don't even know what I would define as casual though. Where to draw the line basically. 5 hours a week maybe? 10 hours definitely isn't casual, nor would I call it hardcore. But if you raid 3 nights a week, I would say that's hardcore, even if the raids are only 3 hours a night, simply because you are dedicating almost half your nights to a single game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
    Needs a "None of the Above" option...

    Biggest misconception is casual = bad player.
    Well I was polling about what misconception people have regarding casuals and the content they prefer. Not polling about the what people think being casual entails.
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  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Neolol View Post
    25 hours a week is NOT casual.

    You could raid 5 x 5h with that and this is way more than you need.
    I don't know why people say things like that. I can only play at very erratic times, usually early evening or way after midnight. I can't really devote my time to a set raid schedule.

    25 hours a week is only 15% of your week. If 15% isn't "casual" I don't really know what your definition is. If they easy-moded raids easier than they already are (which they do all the time), and you could pretty much effortlessly steamroll everything in 2 hours, would 6 hours a week suddenly become "NOT CASUAL" because you can get everything done in 6 hours?

    My definition of casual has always been something like: People who cannot meet schedules of other gamers due to having irregular free time, as well as spending far less time playing than doing other things. For example I work almost twice as much as I play.

    The dictionary seems to agree with me.

    If I could only play video games 5 hours a week I would take to single player games, honestly.
    Last edited by Zafire; 2013-05-12 at 06:22 AM.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    and for others its kinda the whole point of the game
    And you're improving your char to be able to take on harder challenges. The loot in itself is not a end but a means. It might be a temporary goal of course, but not THE goal, at least not in WoW (except if you're talking aesthetically of course, but in that case you don't need the latest gear since best =/= nicest looking)
    Your loots will always be replaced one day, your feats will still remain.
    People doing it for the loot is mostly a whim. People rarely look back 2 years ago saying "geez good job i got this epic lewt" but more "man that fight was awesome".
    Loots are a passing fancy that mean nothing at all in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zafire View Post
    I don't know why people say things like that. I can only play at very erratic times, usually early evening or way after midnight. I can't really devote my time to a set raid schedule.

    25 hours a week is only 15% of your week. If 15% isn't "casual" I don't really know what your definition is. If they easy-moded raids easier than they already are (which they do all the time), and you could pretty much effortlessly steamroll everything in 2 hours, would 6 hours a week suddenly become "NOT CASUAL" because you can get everything done in 6 hours?

    My definition of casual has always been something like: People who cannot meet schedules of other gamers due to having irregular free time, as well as spending far less time playing than doing other things. For example I work almost twice as much as I play.

    The dictionary seems to agree with me.

    If I could only play video games 5 hours a week I would take to single player games, honestly.
    Man 25hours is NOT CASUAL.
    Playing daily for a pretty decent amount of time is this...playing daily. Not casualy. Imagine you'd play football 25h / week. Would that be considered casual ? Not in my world.

    Now having a difficult schedule that doesn't fit the normal raid one is SOMETHING ELSE ENTIRELY. Aka not linked to being casual. Don't blame you're incapacity of fitting into a raid environment on your playtime but on your schedule. But if 25h / week is casual to you a WHOLE LOT of casual have defeated ra-den.

    Btw I am myself in this position and will be for the 6 next months. Killed Sha HC last tier and since 5.2 hit I can't raid anything else than LFR due to my schedule. Playing the same hours but not at the same time.
    When I mean hours has nothing to do with it I mean it.
    Last edited by M4D; 2013-05-12 at 06:46 AM.

  10. #30
    Playing daily for a pretty decent amount of time is this...playing daily. Not casualy. Imagine you'd play football 25h / week. Would that be considered casual ? Not in my world.
    Football and video games are two totally different things. One requires physical effort while one does not. Would you say 25 hours of sleep a week would be sleeping casually? Not in my world. (Trying not to be cocky, I just hate comparisons)

    But if 25h / week is casual to you a WHOLE LOT of casual have defeated ra-den.
    That is the point. The game is made casual friendly so casuals CAN do everything endgame related if they want to. Just because people can get everything raid-related done in eight hours of gaming a week does not mean that they're not playing casually. It just means the game can cater to hardly ever playing if you can keep that sort of schedule.

    In WoW I could gear up any alt strictly through honor PVP gear in a few weeks only playing one hour a day. Would I suddenly not be casual because I'm getting a toon completely geared with minimal effort?

    In Rift you have to literally grind for HOURS every week to get one or two pieces of PVP gear. I can't even get the conquest weekly done sometimes, which hurts my progression significantly. Does that mean 25 hours/week in Rift isn't casual, but 7 hours/week in WoW would be?

    Casual, to me, is simply not spending a large amount of time playing. A few hours a day every day is hardly a lot of time considering how many hours are in every day.

  11. #31
    I really can't seem to grasp how you can qualify 25h casual.
    Also whatever you might think, you can compare any sports with any games. They are hobbies and can become pro at one point. They both need you to be in shape if you want to be the best at it, and none is required for anything else than your own pleasure.
    Actually games are exactly like sports, they're e-sports. Chess is a sport and doesn't require much physical effort does it ? Lot's of people go to the gym, do sports, music or whatnot. And any of the above, done on a regular daily basis at the rate of 25H / week is NOT CASUAL. Heck even If you're dating someone 25h / week you really can't call it casual.
    So what, any other thing than games wouldn't be casual but suddenly when it comes to game you're supposed to play what.. 10h / day in order to not be casual ?

    Oh and comparing time spent on wow to the hours you need to sleep. Smart move, didn't make you point look void at all.


    You are literally spending over than half the free time (assuming you're working and sleeping ofc) of your days playing this game. Enlighten me as how casual you are. Please open your eyes. Your schedule might be shit, but don't blame your lack of anything by the time spent in this game please, that's exactly why people that actually play only less than say 10h a week get a bad reputation.
    Last edited by M4D; 2013-05-12 at 04:15 PM.

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