[Barb] quit first month, just restarted. have questions.

[SqueektheWeek]

I hope this link works: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/S...08/hero/149516

hopefully that is going to my "main"

I have looked up the guides on barbs and I am just playing a run through build for now.

I can handle MP4-5 fairly well but I was wondering what I should look at getting next and where my major flaws are. Unlike WoW I haven't found an askmrrobot like page to just walk me through it after a break.

I know about alikaiser (or however you spell it) runs for paragon levels, changes to MF, MP, keys, gold situation, and stuff basically just need info on my gear and what I should be doing with demonic essences. btw I prefer HotA as it seems the most viable.

Thank you in advance for any help.

[Pendulous]

You can get a Immortal King helm for cheap, and get the chest for the two-set bonus. The chest can tend to get expensive, as the cheapest ones are usually around 400k.

Your bracers, shoulders, gloves, and amulet can all be upgraded with the new BOA crafting patterns. They roll a guaranteed 200+ main stat, and are all six-affix items. That's where your Demonic essence come into play. Because of the increase to pattern drops, they are all dirt cheap on the auction house, unless you're playing hardcore.

Paragon leveling is very different now, since Acts 1, 2, and 4 got monster density changes. Look around for good Act 1 or 2 runs, depending on your preference. Unless you really want to do Act 3.

I don't know much about barbarian builds, but I can't really see you doing MP4-5 easily with that gear. You're probably better off doing a lower MP, around 2-3, if it takes too long to kill anything. Once you find a run you like, test your XP per hour, and find what MP suits you the best. There might be charts and such, but there really isn't any way to tell you what MP you're best at.

[SqueektheWeek]

Did not know the density was changed since that run was designed. thank you.

yea i know paragon is about speed not difficulty. MP4-5 doesnt take that long but 2-3 I am probably better suited for. I have like 300m so I am not too worried about some upgrades. I bought this junk for like 40m.

I will look into those priorities.

anyone know stat weights?

[BergErr]

If u get some MS (better ice climbers/IK boots or lacuni), witching hour/IK, IK chest and mby inna's pants u can run mp10 even. (With WW build that is.)
Switched to WW build on your char and already simming:
tDPS 526,240.99
DPS vs Elites 187,895.56
tDPS vs Elites 684,113.29
Effective Hit Points 623,447.4

I can't say much if u dont play WW (never seen ppl play other builds since first month and for ubers).

I would look into a CC mempo, then MS boots and other chest.

[announced]

hota is better for ubers and single target boss smashing. it does really well at high mp lvls like 8-10 but fails at low ones due to slow speeds.

u need to be WW if u want to paragon farm. ww barbs usually get an echoing fury with (0.24-0.25) str 90-100% crit hit dmg, and another 90-100% crit hit dmg socketed offhand. with similar dps and higher speeds or life leech %. do not get life on hit as that sucks for ww. remember for EF u want 0.24 or 0.25 APS. and the higher the % crit hit dmg, the more it counts for. i.e a EF with 95% crit hit dmg and 990 dps should beat an 1200 EF with only 60% crit hit dmg.

i would get cheap lacunis, make sure it has crit hit chance on it,
get inna's pants with mostly vit on them
make your own archon chest of strength, archon gloves of strength, and an amulet of strength
u can also get an IK belt with str and life leech( and possibly vit too)
and you can get a hellfire ring cheap like 1m if u have 3 keys and a machine( most people will gladly take your 1m to help you kill ubers in mp10)
or you can get a very cheap unity (str legendary ring)
last but not least, the memo's will be expensive but just ensure it has a socket and like 9% ias then some str, vit is least important

remember paragon farming is about clearing an area as fast as possible. if u can do that you'll be fine.

you'll need 5-6% life leech to be safe, thats why i suggest the ik belt for an easy 2.5-3% life leech or more. combined with bloodthirst you'll be fine, if you get a witching hour belt you need a weapon with life leech then, and EF wont have it.

[Pendulous]

i.e a EF with 95% crit hit dmg and 990 dps should beat an 1200 EF with only 60% crit hit dmg.

Not to that extreme. Fortunately, you can compare to your current weapons on the auction house, so it's no big deal either way.

I'm personally not a fan, either on my monk or barbarian. I hate the fear, and it procs a lot.

[Aelfin]

hate the fear on ef. with that said, i tried one with the new density. it's not *that* bad now. in dense areas, mobs normally can't run because they are blocked by all the other mobs. 80% crit is enough (least for monks). mines 1180 dps, 83% cd, .25 and does just fine.

but that's just for monks. hate barbs with ef. ww is retarded. tired of the dumb barbs going ww everywhere, not killing a damn thing, tapping, fearing and moving on. yeah, when i play public and run into barbs with EF i just leave. most the time i'm carrying them anyway. wtf is up with 44k dps barb in mp10??? please, just get a frikken Skorn for group play.

as for hf ring, dude don't pay a million. plenty of people willing to carry ya just for using your machines. get your machines, go to the LGF thread on d3 site, find someone.

[Reclaimer]

hate the fear on ef. with that said, i tried one with the new density. it's not *that* bad now. in dense areas, mobs normally can't run because they are blocked by all the other mobs. 80% crit is enough (least for monks). mines 1180 dps, 83% cd, .25 and does just fine.

but that's just for monks. hate barbs with ef. ww is retarded. tired of the dumb barbs going ww everywhere, not killing a damn thing, tapping, fearing and moving on. yeah, when i play public and run into barbs with EF i just leave. most the time i'm carrying them anyway. wtf is up with 44k dps barb in mp10??? please, just get a frikken Skorn for group play.

as for hf ring, dude don't pay a million. plenty of people willing to carry ya just for using your machines. get your machines, go to the LGF thread on d3 site, find someone.

Wow. Thats a really stupid outlook, When something is feared its not doing DPS. when stuff does not do DPS your saving the party from taking damage and when people stay alive people do more dps. I feel i had to go the full way because i wasnt sure if you was able to sum that up yourself.

Eching fury is an amazing weapon and can even become godly if used right. To give you some insight of how to use it right. My S&B barb has a 1687 DPS EF thanks to the gem, In run with the 60% slow on my Rend. So when stuff is feared they basically dont go anywhere. What a simple fix, its shocking why alot of people cant fiqure this out. But anyways even if you are in a MP game you have ranged dps. Monks have teleport out the ass.

Fear even without a slow is easy to handle so get over it lol. Id rather have a target feared locked rather than going after my ranged friends. Derp

[Aelfin]

i agree ef can be godly. but it has big drawbacks as well. time spent chasing a mob is dps/xp loss as well. letting it run off and deciding not to chase it is an xp loss.

ranged? what ranged? what do you play with? i find very few people actually play ranged. if i play public, most the time i walk into a game that has 3 barbs. if there is a wiz he is most likely cm or archon, neither of which is particularly ranged. wd? most of them are firebats now. closest might be DH but... DH in mp10 is definitely rare and most are very tanky. sure monks have teleport but wth would i chase down 1 mob instead of going to the next group of 20? (i generally run quickening rune vs teleport in s&b mode, more bells). why fear when one bell can kill swathes? why fear an elite pack and spread them out instead of keeping them close so everyone can focus fire the pack?

eh, if that's your play style, go for it.

don't get me wrong here. when i solo, i've take to using dw with an ef, it jumps me up another 70-80k and it's fun as hell ripping things apart. mp10 fields of misery is a blast. but i don't tend to use it in group play.

i normally play s&b monk... and i have to ask, why would you use an ef in s&b??? dps gain is minimal. ef becomes godly when aps is applied to the 2nd weapon. i am really curious here, considering leveling my barb and just don't see how a s&b gets much benefit from ef. you can't get cd AND ls in an EF. is this not an issue for barb due to ls on belt?

[Beazy]

Check mine out, I just recently started playing it again.. I farm mp7 daily with 0 deaths. Life steal on one wep, belt, and passive = close to 9%. Need to have for my build.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/B...627/hero/12827

Stats are

Vit,
Str,
Resist All,
Life Steal.

Get a shit ton of that and mp7 will be a cake walk. I can farm MP10, but my DPS isnt that great so it takes too long to kill stuff, so I farm 7 like its 0.

[Pendulous]

No way you can "farm MP7 like it's zero" with that much damage. I take forever on MP 3 elites in similar gear.

[Aelfin]

Check mine out, I just recently started playing it again.. I farm mp7 daily with 0 deaths. Life steal on one wep, belt, and passive = close to 9%. Need to have for my build.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/B...627/hero/12827

Stats are

Vit,
Str,
Resist All,
Life Steal.

Get a shit ton of that and mp7 will be a cake walk. I can farm MP10, but my DPS isnt that great so it takes too long to kill stuff, so I farm 7 like its 0.

wow. you are one of *those* guys. 106K of damage. in high mp games. that "survives" but really doesn't contribute much dps and fears the hell out of things.
sorry, i don't actually mean *you* specifically, i have no idea if *you* actually run mp7+ in groups, i just run into this in so many mp7-mp10 games.
pendulous is is correct. I can't really see you contributing much past mp4 or so.

as a rough guide, i consider unbuffed 20k baseline and increments per mp level:
mp0 20k dps
mp1 40k dps
mp2 60k dps
mp3 80k dps
mp4 100k dps
mp5 120k dps
mp6 140k dps
mp7 160k dps
mp8 180k dps
mp9 200k dps
mp10 220k dps

that is approx. tends to be about right for barbs/wizards. monks tend to have better modifiers so might have a slight edge. ditto wd (not sure, don't play one). DH... poor DH. more like 1.5x more needed. ehp is much more class dependant. my cm wiz seems ok at 400k for mp10, i don't like dropping below 650k on my monk (and in full s&b mode for mp10 public games or uber carries i push closer to 2M ehp)

as a different gauge, can you kill elite packs in 10-15 secs on the mp level you farm? then you're where you should be.

[Beazy]

wow. you are one of *those* guys. 106K of damage. in high mp games. that "survives" but really doesn't contribute much dps and fears the hell out of things.
sorry, i don't actually mean *you* specifically, i have no idea if *you* actually run mp7+ in groups, i just run into this in so many mp7-mp10 games.
pendulous is is correct. I can't really see you contributing much past mp4 or so.

as a rough guide, i consider unbuffed 20k baseline and increments per mp level:
mp0 20k dps
mp1 40k dps
mp2 60k dps
mp3 80k dps
mp4 100k dps
mp5 120k dps
mp6 140k dps
mp7 160k dps
mp8 180k dps
mp9 200k dps
mp10 220k dps

that is approx. tends to be about right for barbs/wizards. monks tend to have better modifiers so might have a slight edge. ditto wd (not sure, don't play one). DH... poor DH. more like 1.5x more needed. ehp is much more class dependant. my cm wiz seems ok at 400k for mp10, i don't like dropping below 650k on my monk (and in full s&b mode for mp10 public games or uber carries i push closer to 2M ehp)

as a different gauge, can you kill elite packs in 10-15 secs on the mp level you farm? then you're where you should be.

Once you get past MP5, normal mobs have a higher chance of dropping legendary items. I dont kill champ packs in 15 seconds, because I usually avoid most of them, unless they are a face roll combo. I get a massive amount of legendarys, simply running high density maps over and over and over again, and in MP7, with full buffs, the mobs go down like butter.

[Pendulous]

Once you get past MP5, normal mobs have a higher chance of dropping legendary items. I dont kill champ packs in 15 seconds, because I usually avoid most of them, unless they are a face roll combo. I get a massive amount of legendarys, simply running high density maps over and over and over again, and in MP7, with full buffs, the mobs go down like butter.

You lose out on XP because of the new multiplicative factor of Nephalem Valor stacks. Which makes farming higher MP's even more rewarding, but only if you gather the stacks.

[Deleted]

Skorn WW is probably the easiest, most effective and cost efficient build you could go for.

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wow. you are one of *those* guys. 106K of damage. in high mp games. that "survives" but really doesn't contribute much dps and fears the hell out of things.
sorry, i don't actually mean *you* specifically, i have no idea if *you* actually run mp7+ in groups, i just run into this in so many mp7-mp10 games.
pendulous is is correct. I can't really see you contributing much past mp4 or so.

as a rough guide, i consider unbuffed 20k baseline and increments per mp level:
mp0 20k dps
mp1 40k dps
mp2 60k dps
mp3 80k dps
mp4 100k dps
mp5 120k dps
mp6 140k dps
mp7 160k dps
mp8 180k dps
mp9 200k dps
mp10 220k dps

that is approx. tends to be about right for barbs/wizards. monks tend to have better modifiers so might have a slight edge. ditto wd (not sure, don't play one). DH... poor DH. more like 1.5x more needed. ehp is much more class dependant. my cm wiz seems ok at 400k for mp10, i don't like dropping below 650k on my monk (and in full s&b mode for mp10 public games or uber carries i push closer to 2M ehp)

as a different gauge, can you kill elite packs in 10-15 secs on the mp level you farm? then you're where you should be.

This is bad, sheet DPS shouldn't be used as a gauge for WW barbs... esp if you have SoJ & Unity.

[Aelfin]

I dont kill champ packs in 15 seconds, because I usually avoid most of them, unless they are a face roll combo.

got it. leg farming.

This is bad, sheet DPS shouldn't be used as a gauge for WW barbs... esp if you have SoJ & Unity.

i agree. as i said, rough approx. still, if i see a 100k dps in an mp10 game, i know i'm carrying someone. there are def exceptions. i have no problem with a cm wiz at 100k dps in mp10, for instance. the opposite is true with a dh. heck i think my dh is around 260k dps and mp10 is just... painful.

[SqueektheWeek]

so I need to have 3 infernal machines and buy an organ run from someone on MP10 right? that way I make one of each portal and get it all done at once?

[Pendulous]

Yeah. If you open three portals in different games, they can end up being the same boss.

[Aelfin]

so I need to have 3 infernal machines and buy an organ run from someone on MP10 right? that way I make one of each portal and get it all done at once?

can help ya if you need another. monk or wiz (wiz has cm gear, too). just send a FR with a note saying from mmo-c.
monk: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/A.../hero/30854234
wiz: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/A.../hero/30729017

[announced]

hate the fear on ef. with that said, i tried one with the new density. it's not *that* bad now. in dense areas, mobs normally can't run because they are blocked by all the other mobs. 80% crit is enough (least for monks). mines 1180 dps, 83% cd, .25 and does just fine.

but that's just for monks. hate barbs with ef. ww is retarded. tired of the dumb barbs going ww everywhere, not killing a damn thing, tapping, fearing and moving on. yeah, when i play public and run into barbs with EF i just leave. most the time i'm carrying them anyway. wtf is up with 44k dps barb in mp10??? please, just get a frikken Skorn for group play.

as for hf ring, dude don't pay a million. plenty of people willing to carry ya just for using your machines. get your machines, go to the LGF thread on d3 site, find someone.

if ur a ww barb, try putting EF on the OFFHAND possibly so it doesnt proc fear as much. unless that messes with your dps, or get yourself a Cold soj so mobs will be constantly slowed and therefore wont run that far. i hate the fear on EF myself, but i have one and it really is a valuable weapon cause of its fast aps.

@Beazy theres no way you could farm mp7 like cake. having less then around 200k dps means you'll take forever to kill mobs, hell my barb has 153k dps (which isnt shit, but its slightly more) and it takes days to kill mp7. you'll need atleast 220-250k in order to farm high mps quickly on a barb.

most groups will kill your ubers for free if you have 3 machines. if you dont offering 1m gold isnt a bad way to get a fast mp10 kill. just remember make sure you open all 3 portals in the same game or it'll fuck up.