The Science Delusion

[s_bushido]

How come discussing religion is forbidden on these forums, but spreading bullshit about science isn't?

The OP has been banned a few times, but he keeps coming back to bump this. :P

[namelessone]

Frankly, as a religious person with a science degree, I find this pseudo-scientific wash insulting to my intelligence.

[Deleted]

Dogmas of "Mainstream science" today.
Rupert Sheldrake prefers Hipster science

1. Nature is mechanical or machine like

The bad science should accept that Nature is more Magic like.

2. All matter is unconscious

He came probably to this conclusion using his Antimateria Brain :Y

3. The laws or constants of nature are fixed

Ever met a variable constant?

4. The total amount of matter and energy is always the same

Except when nobody looks wiki/Quantum fluctuation

5. Nature is purposeless

Air is purposeless too but we still breath. Purpose does not define interaction or meaning.
Purpose is a concept in the Eye of the user. My Cat thinks that the Purpose of a Pc Keyboard is to Sleep on it
without the Cat no Purpose.

7. Memories are stored inside your brain

Only a true Dogmatic would outrule that his PC has no Ram and stores the Browser Cache on its Blueprints.

8. Your mind is inside your head

Repeating arguments wont make them more true but probably more People will believe you. Read 7

9. Psychic phenomena like telepathy is not possible

Improbable, unproofen and highly unlikely but it is possible .... in a pure rhetorical way of speaking.
And since nobody got the 1 Million Dollar from the James Randi Educational Foundation in what are almost 50 years its not getting any likelier

10. Mechanistic medicine is the only kind that works

Placebos work better than most People would expect.

[crzyman007]

I realized at a young age that in order to fully understand the world we interact with, you must first understand science. I loved the idea of tiny efficient machines, known as cells, working in harmony and homeostasis to essentially keep your body functioning within the “real” world. This fascination led me to libraries (1) where I read more complex books on atoms, sub-atomic particles, and astronomy. And for the first time I felt a strange phenomenon which essentially was the physiological feeling of bewilderment or as Jason Silva says, “The biological advantage of being awestruck.” From that moment on, I knew there was more to life than what we are taught in school.

Fast forward through the rest of academia, college, and the majority of my life and here I am; 24 years old and loathing my generation. I could never understand why some of us have a natural thirst for knowledge while others sit back and allow for fashion to become a necessity or ponder whether or not Kim Kardashian will have a boy or a girl. Well this mindset of commodities and materialistic goals has led our civilization deeper into the gutter with almost no hope to emerge. Naturally, I searched for someone to blame for this terrible outcome and finally found the answer in myself. Dr. Michio Kaku once said, “…every child is born a genius,” and I could not agree more.

As Homo-sapiens, we have a natural imprinted need to explore the unknown and essentially figure out our environment(s). However, instead of acting upon this awarded fate, we have chosen to ignore the philosophy of accepting change and applying it to past knowledge. I believe two parties are at fault here, the first party are the elitists (2) or men in charge who have mislead us over the last 100 + years while the second party is us, or “We the people. ” Our society as a collective whole has become accustomed to this knowledge and blindly accepted any if not all information as the truth. We have lost our ability to apply logic to everyday situations and instead are in an almost continuous state of sub-conscious obedience.

I cannot live this way and will not live in a society where the majority follows such a foul thought process. I believe the guides and scribes of the physical world have lead us here and these two fields have just as much power to lead us out of this dismal digression. I am talking about science and technology.

Two prolific parallels that are tied at the hip in today’s society are science and technology; each field cannot expand without the other. These two fields, genres, disciplines, or whatever adjective you decide to slap on to these ideologies, have discovered or led to the creation of everything around us. Take a minute to think about that, there is no escaping science or technology because we would not be at this stage of civilization without them. Therefore, when one has a reputation of that stature, it is only natural that the ego swells and pompousness increases. Keep in mind I pay the bills because I am a scientist, but I will be the first to admit how pretentious science can be. This narcissistic mindset evolves into dogmas that are not only taught every day in school, but reprinted constantly in our textbooks.

We know so many things about the amazing aspects of the physical world but almost nothing about the spiritual and paranormal phenomena that occur daily and that bothers me.

[Kalis]

We know so many things about the amazing aspects of the physical world but almost nothing about the spiritual and paranormal phenomena that occur daily and that bothers me.

We know that spiritual and paranormal phenomena are based on either human error, or lies. If you don't think they are, then link proof of their existence.

[Sayl]

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Did you actually write any of that yourself?

[Kujako]

All science carries with it the leading statement of "all current evidence suggests" and ends with "but we could be wrong". These often go unspoken, but are assumed to be there. Without them, it is not science but conjecture and belief.

[Kalis]

All science carries with it the leading statement of "all current evidence suggests" and ends with "but we could be wrong". These often go unspoken, but are assumed to be there. Without them, it is not science but conjecture and belief.

One of the 'problems' with science, is that people who take an interest in science understand that, however, people who don't take much interest in it, don't know these sort of things - which leads to all sorts of confusion, and some other people taking advantage of their lack of knowledge.

For example, one of the arguments that you'll often hear from Creationists is that 'evolution is only a theory' - the confusion coming about due to the use of the word 'theory' differing in science from what it does in everyday language. Something relatively simple like referring to it as 'the scientific theory of evolution', could eliminate these kinds of misunderstandings, and make it harder to pull the wool over peoples eyes with fringe bollocks.

[Herecius]

Good lord, is this still going on? Look, here's how you know whether or not you're listening to something that's really science, or whether or not what you believe is a religion, or if it is science:

Does it require me to adhere to a set of facts/and/or/beliefs for which I have no material or mathematical proof in order for it to be true? Does it allow any room for it to be potentially wrong? Are other explanations possible?

If you know the answer to these questions, then you should know whether or not it's a religion or if it's a science.

[Templar 331]

Keep in mind I pay the bills because I am a scientist

I'm not a scientist. Just smart enough to see what's wrong with todays science and raise some questions about it.

Hmmmm. I think your BSing us somewhere.

[Kalis]

Hmmmm. I think your BSing us somewhere.

The first quote was from something they'd copy-pasted without stating that they'd done so - see post 635, by Sayl. Could just be an error by the poster, as he may not have been intending to pass it off as his own.

[Templar 331]

The first quote was from something they'd copy-pasted without stating that they'd done so - see post 635, by Sayl. Could just be an error by the poster, as he may not have been intending to pass it off as his own.

Looking at his name and what he's been posting in this thread.................I'm guessing he did it on purpose.

[Kalis]

Looking at his name and what he's been posting in this thread.................I'm guessing he did it on purpose.

So do I, to be honest.