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  1. #261
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    Quote Originally Posted by plantation View Post
    I never understood why so many people care about faction favoritism. As long as there's no in-game impact, I don't see why Blizzard shouldn't be allowed to tell the story how they want. As for people thinking that the Alliance would actually capture Orgrimmar, or all of the "reclaiming UC bullshit" that's thankfully died down, that's clearly impacting gameplay negatively for Horde players. That's why it won't ever happen. The only thing impacted is how quest X turns vs. quest Y, which is why I don't understand why it bothers so many people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buu View Post
    I must be playing a different WoW. In mine there are High Elves commanding the Silver Enclave, Sully is a Dwarf, Moira held a Zandalari strike.

    Horde have the "same problem", but you don't see us complaining about everything revolving around orcs. Sylvanas is missing, Baine and Vol'Jin made cameos, in the same fashion as Moira and Tyrande. There is no "equal participation of all races" in Horde's side. It's just that it doesn't fill a significant portion of our attention. There is plenty to enjoy, to waste time bothering with that.
    You must be playing a different WoW. The alliance storyline is completely dominated by humans and it's detrimental to every other race either due to neglect(draenei, gnome, worgen) or due to making their leaders look bad(Tyrande, Falstad, and Muradin).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sukhoi View Post
    Derah. Open your eyes. The entire cataclysm xpac was based around thrall. You can't defend this. If you think alliance lore is truly equal to horde, maybe you should go outside for a bit.
    *points to TBC and Wrath*
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    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post
    *points to TBC and Wrath*
    TBC revolved around the Horde more than it did the Alliance. Wrath was pretty overall neutral.

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    Honestly my problem with the Alliance has always been how insanely racist they are and always have been.

    That's really the only thing that separates them from the Horde in my mind. Otherwise, both are really just gray factions trying to survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    You must be playing a different WoW. The alliance storyline is completely dominated by humans and it's detrimental to every other race either due to neglect(draenei, gnome, worgen) or due to making their leaders look bad(Tyrande, Falstad, and Muradin).
    Curious how you completely ignored that Horde side is very similar, as I said. Undead are absent, Tauren make cameos, and Trolls are saved by Green Jesus and Chen from a near successful genocide.

    Alliance is responsible to release one of the Echo Isles retake heroes from a cage in Dranoshar Blockade. And you didn't even noticed that, did you? It was just a another filthy Troll, not the High Druid of that race...

    Ignorance about what's is around don't make you guys right. I just make your opinion less important due lack of effort on making it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziharkk View Post
    Honestly my problem with the Alliance has always been how insanely racist they are and always have been.

    That's really the only thing that separates them from the Horde in my mind. Otherwise, both are really just gray factions trying to survive.
    yeah i know, but the funny thing is, all this current shit with Garrosh has pushed the bar out with him and his kor'kohn being the racist pricks of this current story, making the orcs look worse for it, and generally breaking the horde apart because of it.
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    and you call alliance whiny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buu View Post
    Curious how you completely ignored that Horde side is very similar, as I said. Undead are absent, Tauren make cameos, and Trolls are saved by Green Jesus and Chen from a near successful genocide.

    Alliance is responsible to release one of the Echo Isles retake heroes from a cage in Dranoshar Blockade. And you didn't even noticed that, did you? It was just a another filthy Troll, not the High Druid of that race...

    Ignorance about what's is around don't make you guys right. I just make your opinion less important due lack of effort on making it.
    Um, blood elves and trolls are highly active in the story. Tauren have their Sunwalker thing. Goblins had two scenarios about them. The only horde race notably absent from MoP is the forsaken(who got a pretty large amount of new lore in Cata).

    Draenei, worgen, and gnomes aren't doing anything. Night elves got to look like idiots so humans look better, and dwarves got a scenario where 2/3s of their leadership look like incompetent boobs.

  11. #271
    Quote Originally Posted by Sandrox View Post
    TBC revolved around the Horde more than it did the Alliance. Wrath was pretty overall neutral.
    how is wrath neutral? Brann in Ulduar, Tirion in ICC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffhead View Post
    how is wrath neutral? Brann in Ulduar, Tirion in ICC.
    Tirion is neutral. Pretty sure it was the Kirin Tor in Ulduar.

  13. #273
    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    Tirion is neutral. Pretty sure it was the Kirin Tor in Ulduar.
    well thrall was neutral in cata, yet the ally seem to bitch about that

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    I'd say Faction favoritism and people arguing about it on Forums indicate a job well done, as it means people are passionate about the game and its factions. The problem Alliance Players feel they have is that Horde Characters are developed much better in game than the Alliance, to which I believe there to be some truth.

    In terms of 5.1, I think that was relatively even. The Horde had a better scenario with Vol'jin, as it advanced the plot and developed the story. The Alliance one featuring Tyrande could have been a 'what if' situation from what it really showed in terms of its after effects, and all it did for the Alliance was make one of their respected Heroes look like an idiot compared to Varian, who was suddenly obsessed with patience, but overall through 5.1 I feel Varian was coming along nicely.

    In terms of Dalaran, thats a little iffy to me. Horde players infiltrate Darnassus and as such they are kicked out of Dalaran by Jaina. However, the Horde still manages to rescue a reasonable amount of Prisoners and slaughter a few Alliance with Rommath. The culmination of the 5.1 Storyline saw Anduin almost die, but my biggest issue is that we never saw any negotiations in game between Varian and Lor'themar, which I think would have been great to involve the Players in. The outcome is unclear to me, as the Horde did loose their foothold in Dalaran and sent the Kirin Tor towards the Alliance, but it solidified and mobilized the Blood Elves and with the fact they could have potentially joined the Alliance lore wise, I feel its a blow for the Alliance, and that leads us into 5.2

    5.2 is much better as Horde for me personally as it develops Lor'themar Theron from someone most people didn't even know about into a badass Blood Elf who is someone who I'd love to see more of. I think my personal problem with 5.2 is that its Jaina appearing again. I was expected to see another Alliance faction. At the end of 5.1 Varian sends for Velen, who still hasn't shown up yet, and by now I don't expect to, but it would have been nice to see maybe the Draenei fighting against the Blood Elves and developing and solidifying the Draenei as part of the Alliance.

    5.3 is definitely better for Horde. It focuses around Vol'jin, with the Alliance not even seeing one of their Heroes. It felt underwhelming as an Alliance Player, compared to the combination of Thrall, Chen and Vol'jin, and the advancement of Thrall and Vol'jin's plot. Also the Dev's needed to be reminded that the full might of the Alliance could possibly have more sway on Garrosh's forces than a currently fairly small Rebellion.

    Unfortunately my belief is that the Trial of the High King Questline has been scrapped in favor of Scenario Advancements. I don't expect to see Worgen, Gnomes or Draenei at all now, and based on comments during a live discussion it was made fairly clear that 5.4 would be focusing on the Humans of the Alliance, Anduin, Jaina and Varian. What I've said above is only relative to Mists Content, but I feel that the Horde Characters have been set up much better for the upcoming confrontation than the Alliance Characters, and they have their paths cemented in the Siege. I would like to see a 5.4 with a similar style to 5.1, which had a great story and build up, but I don't believe that will happen.
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  15. #275
    Quote Originally Posted by fluffhead View Post
    well thrall was neutral in cata, yet the ally seem to bitch about that
    Pretty sure Thrall destroyed an alliance fleet and brought the goblins into the horde while he was "neutral." Tirion wasn't the leader of the alliance and then left to be neutral only to go right back to the alliance afterwards.

  16. #276
    Quote Originally Posted by fluffhead View Post
    well thrall was neutral in cata, yet the ally seem to bitch about that
    Tirion was firmly established as vanilly in Vanilla, hadn't been part of the alliance for decades story wise, and never had a role in the story before vanilla.

    Thrall was the FOUNDER and WARCHIEF of the horde right up until the point he left to go do the shaman stuff in Cataclysm.

    If you don't see the difference in that, not much I can say.

  17. #277
    Quote Originally Posted by Sandrox View Post
    TBC revolved around the Horde more than it did the Alliance. Wrath was pretty overall neutral.
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

    Main Villain: Human. Former Alliance Prince.
    First Raid main Boss: Former Kirin Tor.
    Main antagonists of the main villain: Tirion Fordring and Darion Morgraine. Both came from Alliance.
    2 commanders perish at the feet of the Lich King, while they are bringing Alliance and Horde to the fight side by side.
    The Horde one is dominated into a minion, the Alliance one resist to take the place of the Lich King,in order to save the world.
    BTW, Horde lose control of one of their cities, and Alliance almost takes it to themselves, being held from that by force for their own diplomat.

    We learn about the origins of Gnomes, Humans, and more about dwarves. Trolls have some minor curiosities.

    The hub is a Former Alliance Town that was kind enough to allow Horde to use their facilities in exchange for help with Malygos. But we have to be careful, because the town's first lady just don't stab every Horde in the back, because it would upset her husband.

    You know what? I just had enough of this Alliance blindness. I'll stop to post here and will only use this thread as a humor link with my friends that play WoW. Tragicomedy in its purest form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buu View Post
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

    Main Villain: Human. Former Alliance Prince.
    First Raid main Boss: Former Kirin Tor.
    Main antagonists of the main villain: Tirion Fordring and Darion Morgraine. Both came from Alliance.
    2 commanders perish at the feet of the Lich Kings, when they are bringing Alliance and Horde to the fight side by side.The Horde one is dominated into a minion, the Alliance one takes the place of the Lich King to save the world.
    BTW, Horde lose control of one of their cities, and Alliance almost takes it to themselves, being held from that by the force of their diplomat.

    We learn about the origins of Gnomes, Humans, and more about dwarves. Trolls have some minor curiosities.

    The hub is a Former Alliance Town that was kind enough to allow Horde to use their facilities in exchange of help with Malygos. But we have to be careful, because the town's first lady just don't stab every Horde in the back, because it would upset her husband.

    You know what? I just had enough of this Alliance blindness. I'll stop to post here and will only use this thread as a humor link with my friends that play WoW. Tragicomedy in its purest form.
    While I do think that wrath was alliance leaning, don't forget that Arthas was a Lordaeron prince. Which faction is Lordaeron in now? The Horde, via the Forsaken, though they were sadly absent after Wrathgate and their role pretty much taken up by the neutral ebon blade.

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    Main Villain: Human. Former Alliance Prince.
    Former prince of Lordaeron. Lordaeron is part of the horde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    Former prince of Lordaeron. Lordaeron is part of the horde.
    all lands belong to the trolls, and trolls are in the horde. Time for you to fall off a cliff alliance.
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