Derah. Open your eyes. The entire cataclysm xpac was based around thrall. You can't defend this. If you think alliance lore is truly equal to horde, maybe you should go outside for a bit.
Why are you going back to cataclysm? I'm talking about Mists of Pandaria. Cataclysm is in the past. But if you REALLY wanna talk about cataclysm, out of the 5 high lvl zones in the game, in how many was thrall the focus? NONE.
Hyjal: Focus there was Malfurion leading the guardians of Hyjal against ragnaros. It had a small (and rather sucky I'll admit) questchain about thrall, but its just 8 small quests in a zone that has A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE.
Vasj'ir: Absent completely. Not even mentioned (Save for the joke of "By Thrall's balls")
Deepholm: One very minor cameo were you turn a single quest to him and that's it, he's never seen or mentioned again.
Uldum: Absent completely.
Twilight Highlands: Absent completely. You get a very brief non-canon cameo in the form of a nightmare.
Then he shows up in 1 dungeon and 1 raid. HOW THE HELL YOU RATIONALIZE THAT AS "Hur dur whole expansion is about him"?
And what the fuck does that has to do with MoP? In MOP the alliance has gotten nothing but love, while the horde gets kicked in the balls, and they're still whining and bitching about it.
Por que odiar si amar es mas dulce? (*^_^*)
The Alliance is nothing, any bit of lore you get, you should be happy with. The warcraft series can live without the alliance but is nothing without the horde!
I'll respond to your post as things go down.
You start off by complaining that our airship survived and is awesome. Okay sure. Gnome/Draenei engineering > Goblin. More safe, at least.
You lose Nazgrim, we lost Bolvar. And believe me, Bolvar was significantly more important than Saurfang's kid. He was a faction leader for Vanilla and BC.
You get kicked out of Dalaran. We lost our main hub on a CONTINENT. We gained a city for the one the Horde took from us.
You complain about the Thunder King's power, except that the Horde gets the power of the OLD GODs. And yes, at the moment, Garrosh is still the Horde, you haven't declared rebellion just yet.
Voljin certainly didn't beg for help. In fact, if he was begging, why is the Alliance running around playing errand boy for him all of 5.3?
The Horde didn't invade Theramore, but they certainly attacked it. And then blew it up. And if you'll recall, Undercity was neutral at the time of the Wrathgate due to an "uprising" and both factions invaded it.
You complain about losing your leader (we lost Bolvar) and your elite, but if you actually read the lore, both RHONIN and most of the 7TH LEGION were killed by the Mana Bomb.
You complain about our dailies and the rare spawns but you forget that you always wreck us at PVP. I spent over a month trying to do that stupid PVP quest and was denied my legendary quest completion for a long time because of it.
Anduin had less face time than Thrall did in Cata, and oh yeah, Garrosh nearly killed him, a young boy.
Don't call people whiners unless you have a legitimate reason. Last expansion was all about Thrally Sue and how special he is, this expansion is all about how awesome Voljin is. Get over yourself.
Alliance gets no lore cause they suck and dont do anything, whats so hard to understand?
The alliance has got nothing but love..? Right. Finishing 5.3 in half an hour made me feel pretty loved. You really think horde has been kicked in the balls all expansion? Its been blue posted this expansion has been about horde. You're delusional bro
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Nailed it. Fanboys are great. Grow up
Lol @ complaining about complaining. Players from both factions have bitched about anything and everything.
Horde: wrath is about alliance this sucks
Alliance: you're making all our heroes neutral this sucks
Horde: cata is making us BAD GUYZ this sucks
Alliance: this expansion is about horde this sucks
Horde: OMG WERE THE BAD GUYZ
Alliance: this expansion is also about horde
If you seriously think there's a difference between gamers playing two factions of the same game, you need your head checked.
As an Alliance player I admit that MoP so far has been good for the Alliance, but 2 major problems still remain and in my opinion that's why the Alliance playerbase is still angry:
- the victories you mention don't leave any persistent consequence in the game. even the siege of Orgrimmar will end with us leaving the capital, so no persistent victory even there. plus, cataclysm was beyond horrible for us, by far the most biased and horrible expansion for a single faction ever.
- a good Alliance storytelling is not there yet. 5.3 Alliance role has been very minor, and pretty much all MoP lore has been human lore, while we want other races to be involved as well, mainly Draenei and Worgen.
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Not really lost him. He's more powerful than ever and on standby for whenever the Alliance wants to break the vow of secrecy to call him back.
That must be why Varian declared war on the Horde and attacked Thrall with the intent of wiping orcs off the face of Azeroth. AFTER the threat was neutralized.
Bolvar is still very much alive and more powerful than ever. Rhonin was not an Alliance leader.
Gameplay imbalance has nothing to do with lore.
You list all those things as if it's not a lot? Thrall was the central character of Cataclysm. He was being groomed to become the next aspect of earth. The final cutscene of the entire freaking expac was about his ugly baby.
How often have you had to interact with Anduin, exactly?
I'm not really an Alliance qqer, however, I do think that in general Horde gets more epic quest lines. The intro to Twilight Highlands was awesome. The battle to free Razor Hill was awesome. I'm sure the freeing of Orgrimar will be also awesome. True, we did get to raid Undercity once. We didn't really do anything in there, though. They also have better racials for PVE. There's a reason most Heroic guilds are Horde. I also feel that the Horde transportation system is better than the Alliance. There are more zepplins to useful places than boats.
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Fair enough, although this just means that the Alliance is a bit more technologically advanced on the gunship part. (considering they've been building similar things since at least the second war)
Assumptions. We know Nazgrim is a boss in SoO, we don't know whether he dies or not. What I think of it is Taylor showing up in the fight, and both dying.
A Dalaran that isn't even represented ingame. And I wouldn't be surprised if Jaina ends up letting those prisoners go, considering how her last confrontation with Lor'themar went.
The Alliance got the power of the Thunder King, yes. The Horde got the power of the Titans in form of Anima. Anima is pretty much used to create life. I'd say that's pretty even (or maybe even better)
I'm pretty sure those forces were all orcs, most likely part of Garrosh's army. And we all know how much of a tactician Garrosh is. Don't forget that the Alliance scenario made one of their most experienced leaders (Tyrande) look like some novice leader.
Oh, and your beloved leader is leading a rebellion now.
So the Horde doesn't take part in the Siege? I think the Siege is more Horde centered because of how much they want to remove Garrosh. The Alliance just tags along.
Plead and beg? Or you mean that he's not stupid enough to see that he needs more than his own rebellion to take down Garrosh.
Technically, the Horde (although the old one) destroyed Stormwind.
Did you know most of the 7th Legion was decimated in Tides of War? And the Kor'kron isn't what it used to be. Garrosh has been mass recruiting orcs and turned it into a war machine. The old Kor'kron were mainly protectors.
They take over the docks? That's weird, I've never done a quest that takes over the docks. And the Horde does technically invade Lion's Landing. But you probably didn't do the scenario with the same name. The only dailies involved in the outer walls of the Horde base is killing 2 named mobs. The dailies don't get much further than that.
The warrior is in the middle of 2 mobs, with mobs running around. You have to kill 2 mobs at most and pull him to a safe spot.
I'm not sure where you're getting the 4 mobs from the rogue from.
I'd have to agree with you on the priest, but only because she doesn't always move out of the tent, so it's difficult to pull her to a safe spot.
Now, I haven't finished Chapter 3 yet (silly runestones) but part of the legendary questchain? He's sitting there, playing a boardgame with Wrathion. Varian doesn't do shit after all that happened in 5.1 (and he didn't really do much there either) so I'm not sure where this ''blue jesus'' is coming from. I'll have to agree with the Jaina part, she does kick some ass in 5.1. But nothing more than Lor'themar in 5.2.
Thrall already had a lot of spotlight in Cataclysm, you honestly think he should've gotten even more in MoP? Vol'jin gets a knife in the neck, recovers from it and starts the rebellion. And there's that assumption of Nazgrim dying again. You haven't seen what Baine does in 5.4 (neither have I, obviously)
As for comic relief, the blood elves get far less than the gnomes do.
60% of the game? Let's see. 1-2 quests in the Jade Forest, 3-4 quests in Krasarang, 1 quest in Kun-Lai (part of the 5.1 questchain) and...
Oh wait, that's it. Must be a pretty small game you're playing here.
All in all, I don't agree with the most of the Alliance whining (some of it is just over the top) but some of it is perfectly reasonable. It's also a reason why I've stepped over the the Horde and being Alliance for over 6 years.
And I think you're just as bad as the massive Alliance whining.
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You have Orc Jesus, your argument is invalid.
I played alliance since day one of vanilla until day one of MOP, when my alliance raiding guild died. I've played horde for all of MOP. So:
1. Blizzard (as a whole) doesn't like the alliance very much. Thrall gets married has a kid, Bolvar gets damned to eternity of undeath. VP has to apologize for one of their senior employees referring to all alliance players as *derogatory term for gay people*.
2. It's popular to dislike the alliance. All over popular culture. I complained gently once to a web comic artist, that maybe he could portray alliance players as not complete idiots or horrible human beings. His (predictable) reply? FOR THE HORDE! So yeah F that guy, haven't read his crappy comic since. Hell even the Daily Blink does it via his girlfriend who posts really horrible things about the alliance, or at least she used to. Dude made me my own character poster in a contest once, awesome! Still stopped reading him because of his horrible girlfriend's posts. People really freaking dislike the alliance!
3. People seem to enjoy being bad guys. When I tried SWTOR, omfg how everybody was gushing over being on the side of the Empire.
3a. That even transfers to real life - look at the 501st - they do lots of charity stuff while dressing like characters who served a xenophobic Hitler-was-a-kitten-compared-to-him evil emperor. They call themselves, "Vader's fist" - really? Vader? Same guy who murdered all those children? Who conducted "purges" etc? Yet the 501st is this fun thing.
I think #3 is telling. Apparently humans are evil. I never will be, though.
I've also learned one more thing.... you know how all those horde players are jerks? Actually it turns out everybody's a jerk.
So in the end, the only thing being horde or alliance does is cut you off from playing with a % of the player base on your server. That's it. The horde are comprised of stupid looking characters who mostly can't stand up straight. Whee. I play a goblin. I've stopped caring.