[Megathread] Dragon Age 3

[May90]

Somehow I have a great fear for the Next Mass Effect game, since it is done also by Bioware and also features open world...

Who said ME4 was going to be open world? There is a new sci-fi game in development that will be open world, but it is done by CDProjekt, not by Bioware.

If they make ME4 into an open world game or, even worse, a MMO, I will start a holy crusade against EA. They slaughtered KotoR, they threw away Neverwinter Nights, they made Dragon Age into story-based Skyrim - if they dare do something like this to my favorite franchise, Mass Effect, even the Maker will tremble before my wrath!

[Elim Garak]

Bioware themselves said it will be open world, with all the "exploration focus", "mako return"

[May90]

Bioware themselves said it will be open world, with all the "exploration focus", "mako return"

Well, 'tis alarming... I hope it simply means that we will have a lot of planets to explore as in ME1, but the storyline will be as important as ever.

P.S. Gratz for the 10,000th post!

[SirRobin]

Must admit I was expecting more. Honestly though I'm still happy DAI wasn't as bad as I was afraid it would be. Hopefully the next DLC will be better.

[Gallahadd]

Must admit I was expecting more. Honestly though I'm still happy DAI wasn't as bad as I was afraid it would be. Hopefully the next DLC will be better.

I'm still hoping they're release an Awakenings sized expac for DAI. I know Awakenings was a huge loss for BW... But damnit man DAI deserves it .

[Korgoth]

Wait. The next mass effect is open world?! Ok now I'm worried, oh Skyrim what hath thou done to my bioware.

Skyrim did nothing, DA:I is very clearly single player WoW. You move through level guided zones, doing basic MMO grind quests to level.

Skyrim points you at places with the main questline, but how you get between them, and what you do in between is totally up to you. The quests are more interesting to find, and much more random. With only a couple kill quests. If only DA:I was like Skyrim.

[May90]

Skyrim did nothing, DA:I is very clearly single player WoW. You move through level guided zones, doing basic MMO grind quests to level.

Skyrim points you at places with the main questline, but how you get between them, and what you do in between is totally up to you. The quests are more interesting to find, and much more random. With only a couple kill quests. If only DA:I was like Skyrim.

I see it differently. DAI is an open world game, with lots of grind quests common for this kind of games, but it also has an immersing story line, interesting conversations, lots of lore and so on. Skyrim, on the other hand, is just a generic open world game where you do stuff just because it is there to do, not because it has anything to do with the lore or the story... If you can even call what there is in Skyrim a story.

"Single player WoW" is a term beyond my comprehension... I really don't understand how you can compare two exactly opposite game types.

[Aeula]

Skyrim did nothing, DA:I is very clearly single player WoW. You move through level guided zones, doing basic MMO grind quests to level.

Skyrim points you at places with the main questline, but how you get between them, and what you do in between is totally up to you. The quests are more interesting to find, and much more random. With only a couple kill quests. If only DA:I was like Skyrim.

They said while making it that they were taking inspiration for skyrim, they just did it wrong.

[Graeham]

The biggest issue with DA:I for me is that just as the story begins to pick up it's all over. Major events just sort of happen without much foreshadowing too which is a shame. I did love all the intrigue surrounding Orlais though - it's just a shame that you don't get to meet any of the characters from the Winter Palace before the quest that takes place there.

[Deleted]

Skyrim did nothing, DA:I is very clearly single player WoW. You move through level guided zones, doing basic MMO grind quests to level.

WoW did not invent quests, levels, nor grinding.
Do you know why WoW was structured that way? Because every RPG ever works that way...

[Deleted]

Because every RPG ever works that way...

WoW made it "popular", and since noone was around to remember EverQuest..

Skyrim on the other hand made the sandbox revolution.

Although the Witcher seems to have tossed that to the curb. I seem to recall hearing no fetch quests.

[Graeham]

It makes me wonder how The Witcher 3 will compare to Skyrim and DA:I.

I hope it really shakes up the genre and forces other future games to have more meat and less filler.

[Deleted]

Who said ME4 was going to be open world? There is a new sci-fi game in development that will be open world, but it is done by CDProjekt, not by Bioware.

If they make ME4 into an open world game or, even worse, a MMO, I will start a holy crusade against EA. They slaughtered KotoR, they threw away Neverwinter Nights, they made Dragon Age into story-based Skyrim - if they dare do something like this to my favorite franchise, Mass Effect, even the Maker will tremble before my wrath!

Seriously if BW should dare to turn ME4 into an open world space Skyrim I will call in my Cerberus forces to terminate BW and EA. I mean I'm still mad at how they turned Cerberus from "kinda evil but still saving and protecting humanity" in ME2 to "outright evil guys that abduct and kill humans" just because they needed a secondary antagonist in ME3. What they have done to Cerberus in ME3 is inexcusable but turning ME4 into an open world space Skyrim would really cause me to never buy a single BW game again and to hate them forever.

[zealo]

Skyrim did nothing, DA:I is very clearly single player WoW. You move through level guided zones, doing basic MMO grind quests to level.

Skyrim points you at places with the main questline, but how you get between them, and what you do in between is totally up to you. The quests are more interesting to find, and much more random. With only a couple kill quests. If only DA:I was like Skyrim.

Agreed, they kind of missed the mark about why people like games like skyrim.

[Aeula]

Agreed, they kind of missed the mark about why people like games like skyrim.

Aye, it's like they looked at skyrim, went "OPEN WORLD" and got it all wrong. They gated the main quest behind power and levels so you'd HAVE to do the open world content and made the rest of the world shallow and boring without the freedom skyrim enjoyed.

[Valeron]

Skyrim on the other hand made the sandbox revolution.

Skyrim is not a sandbox

[Poppincaps]

Aye, it's like they looked at skyrim, went "OPEN WORLD" and got it all wrong. They gated the main quest behind power and levels so you'd HAVE to do the open world content and made the rest of the world shallow and boring without the freedom skyrim enjoyed.

You barely have to do that much open world content. I did everything in my playthrough to get the Platinum trophy and I was consistently 3+ levels higher than the main quests and I had more than enough power. Also long as you aren't playing on Nightmare, you can do very little open world stuff and get through the main story quest without worrying about power or being underleveled. Also, since you don't have to do that much open world stuff it doesn't get boring.

I think many of the problems that DA:I has come from being overambitious as well as being held back by last generation. Especially considering things like Keep defense was cut, which makes me wonder what else had to be cut.

[zealo]

Aye, it's like they looked at skyrim, went "OPEN WORLD" and got it all wrong. They gated the main quest behind power and levels so you'd HAVE to do the open world content and made the rest of the world shallow and boring without the freedom skyrim enjoyed.

I think a part of the problem with the design is that the player is too tied down to a single organisation and faction in order to truly have a coherent narrative to the inquisition instead of being given full freedom.

In skyrim its recommended that the player at least does whiterun so dragons start spawning but after that its entirely left up to the player about when, how and in what order absolutely everything is done along with a world that didn't feel overdesigned.

A subjective opinion of mine but I also think first person action based gameplay lends itself much better to a medieval open world rpg.

[Deleted]

Skyrim is not a sandbox

Must have been mislead by all that fake free-roam.

In skyrim its recommended that the player at least does whiterun so dragons start spawning

Would have been great if dragons could attack you while you were hightailing it away from Alduin at the start.

[zealo]

Would have been great if dragons could attack you while you were hightailing it away from Alduin at the start.

You should try the thomas the tank mod, it replace Alduin and other dragons with a locomotive, its absolutely terrifying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNaTZV8qS1I