We are good for tank healing on fights where you use 2 or more tanks, we are garbage for tank healing when there is just one tank.
They should leave EF as it is.. The spell is great but if they want us to pick something else.. They should change the talents that are bad.. Not the only one ppl actualy use...
For SH its simple make it so that if u get that talent your judgements give you a stack of Holy power along with the healing increase from judging.. The trade off would be you wouldnt get the mana regen normaly get from having the seal active and instead we would get some mana back everytime we judged a target..
For SS it gets a bit more complex to me.. Maby make it into a mini beacon transfering 25% instead of the beacons 50% and instead of actualy healing the target it would only increase the SS absorv..
What ideas do you guys have for changes for thouse 2 talents?
They want us to use SH all they need to do is bring back mana regen from it, or something like JoTP
Yea you are overestimating our single target healing. They are too expensive and the heals heal for less simply because there is an absorb attached to it. So if someone is already low you will have to heal more to get them topped than other healers.
And my statement of the changes to what you want requiring total rework of holy paladins and other healer classes is far from an overstatement, it is the flat out truth. We are simply not at all how you described. And there also is no need in the current game for a class that you bring simply for strong single target heals. For that you would rework tanks, because there is too much tank self healing from majority of tank class, along with adjusting the said smart heals of the other healing classes.
Last edited by Freia; 2013-06-21 at 05:35 PM.
In 25m heroic, it's very easy to get snip healed by other healing classes, I would think that it doesn't occur nearly as much in 10m.
EF blanketing is very strong with IH, especially when you have HA up.
I need to get to the PTR to test this, but I'm thinking that the HOT without IH is pretty pointless (since I'm going to assume that it will be sniped by hots from monks/druids or pre-shields from discs).
I really hope they give us a benefit to judging. I know 0 healers that judge since there is ZERO benefit to holy judging. Make it an attonement type spell or allow it a 50% chance to gain a holy power...something along these lines.
And btw...I called this a while back. Proof here:
Let's just see if my other prediction comes to fruition.
You say the LoD spam is mindless, but EF blanketing is not much better. Both require you to predict damage, whether it's because you need to pre-shield or because you need to have that 3-5 points ready to use LoD right after the damage happens.
Last edited by Lumineux; 2013-06-21 at 05:05 PM.
I mentioned this to my guild, and they said - 'Good f*ck EF blanketing...get back to what you were meant to do and heal the tank.'
I find this funny.
Aren't we one of the worst tank healers atm -only in front of monks?
I thought the Living Seed buff made druids the strongest, followed by priests then shammies.
The past few pages remind me of when jab got nerfed into the ground, especially loved the re-rolling posts. Hopefully the change sticks and the compensation is given where due, because eternal flame is retarded atm.
old mistweaver probably still better than u
And sure you do have that on me, that LoD doesn't require raid frames, but don't act like spamming EF takes a lot of thought, because it doesn't. It's literally just a game of "how many EFs can I pump out before the next damage burst" which can end requiring you to do a lot of overhealing with HR in order to generate the Holy Power.
Edit: And for the record, we will still use EF in Tier 16, even without it procing IH. The encounters(from what i saw in the dungeon journal) favor HoTs . We'll just suck at it.
You could i.e. increase the hot healing Output and make LoD stronger and get SS work with crit and mastery and or even Bacon (5.2, if or not combined with the 5.4 effect is a different Story) and make maybe SH work with HS for Holy (every 18 secs at the max a free/instant heal for 60% more isn t going to be a dealbreaker, just ask a shaman about Unleash element, only increased healing and no instant etc, but it just doesnt make it the ueber Talent)and then you have a choice already again.
The actual loss of EF hot´s not apply IH anymore doesn´t equal 17% Overall healing as someone wrote above. thats to high; it s rather ~10, but would have to check logs properly again too.
Just the fact that EF has been majorly nerfed doesn´t mean in the end that we are going to be stuck with the current SH and the 5.4 SS; there will be further changes. A sheer throughput incrase isn´t going to do it alone obviously.