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  1. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyK923 View Post
    ...because they are their enemy?

    Have you done the "Siege of Niuzao Temple" 5-man? They're simply using that way to get into the area...

    If their goal was to free the Sha of Fear, why would they continue to do that in the 5man, which takes place after the story in the Townlong Steppes? Its because its an effective way to attack their centuries-old enemy.
    All of that takes place on a different island, just southwest of the temple. The quests I linked earlier specifically state that the Mantid were digging below the Niuzao temple, where the Sha of Fear was imprisoned. They have no reason to be digging down there if the Sha is already released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandrox View Post
    All of that takes place on a different island, just southwest of the temple. The quests I linked earlier specifically state that the Mantid were digging below the Niuzao temple, where the Sha of Fear was imprisoned. They have no reason to be digging down there if the Sha is already released.
    Have you never heard of an enemy attacking from a way that isn't the frontal-assault? For the love of god lol. I should have stopped posts ago.

    Why the hell do you think they're doing what they are in the 5man? They're burrowing up through the tree and making a bridge over to the Temple's island.

    They could be dropping magical cows onto the place from airplanes and it wouldn't matter, we have the word of god telling us the Horde and Alliance unleash the Sha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyK923 View Post
    Have you never heard of an enemy attacking from a way that isn't the frontal-assault? For the love of god lol. I should have stopped posts ago.
    Yet the mantid never use it to attack them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandrox View Post
    Yet the mantid never use it to attack them.
    Because the player is sent down there and stops them, holy fuck lol.

    I gotta go. Bye. Need to sleep before I get infracted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyK923 View Post
    Because the player is sent down there and stops them, holy fuck lol.

    I gotta go. Bye. Need to sleep before I get infracted.
    I think your referring to the 5 man, which is inside one of the giant Kyparri or whatever trees. Not underground, and not underneath the temple. I am talking about the cave filled with little sha DIRECTLY BELOW the temple. Which the quests say the Mantid dug. For no reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callei View Post
    https://twitter.com/DaveKosak/status/340621581430706177 Kosak, head honcho of quest development, says it's literally all on us.
    god thats contrived.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    god thats contrived.
    How so? Nothing in the game does anything but support that the empowerment of the Sha is our fault. Just about everyone with a name keeps reminding us to chill, broski, but we keep ignoring them because it's easier said than done, especially after all these years of letting our passions run high on the battlefield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callei View Post
    How so? Nothing in the game does anything but support that the empowerment of the Sha is our fault. Just about everyone with a name keeps reminding us to chill, broski, but we keep ignoring them because it's easier said than done, especially after all these years of letting our passions run high on the battlefield.
    What's wrong with yelling "KILL, MAIM, BURN" on a battlefield ? Maybe its pandaren who should stop living in they lucid dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    What's wrong with yelling "KILL, MAIM, BURN" on a battlefield ? Maybe its pandaren who should stop living in they lucid dream.
    Doing no battle at all maybe, especially between Horde and Alliance ? You know, the whole FUCKIN PURPOSE of our time in Pandaria, Blizzard wanted us to learn shit, the players, the horde, the alliance.

    The whole purpose of Pandaria was us realising that fighting between red and blue is shit.

    Pandaren realised that this feuds have no sense, they never chose war first, maybe we should do the same, after years of hitting our heads against each other.
    "Why do we fight? To protect home and family, to preserve balance and bring harmony. For my kind the true question is, what is worth fighting for?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by KunkkaTheAdmiral View Post
    Doing no battle at all maybe, especially between Horde and Alliance ? You know, the whole FUCKIN PURPOSE of our time in Pandaria, Blizzard wanted us to learn shit, the players, the horde, the alliance.

    The whole purpose of Pandaria was us realising that fighting between red and blue is shit.

    Pandaren realised that this feuds have no sense, they never chose war first, maybe we should do the same, after years of hitting our heads against each other.
    Maybe we should kill Pandas, that way there would be plenty of land for everyone. Perfect solution for the "red vs blue conflict".

    But of course, alliance again plays some kind of moral world police, so that goes straight out of the window.
    The common man is like a worm in the gut of a corpse, trapped inside a prison of cold flesh, helpless and uncaring, unaware even of the inevitability of its own doom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KunkkaTheAdmiral View Post
    Doing no battle at all maybe, especially between Horde and Alliance ? You know, the whole FUCKIN PURPOSE of our time in Pandaria, Blizzard wanted us to learn shit, the players, the horde, the alliance.

    The whole purpose of Pandaria was us realising that fighting between red and blue is shit.

    Pandaren realised that this feuds have no sense, they never chose war first, maybe we should do the same, after years of hitting our heads against each other.
    Then how we keep our skills sharp and ready ? Without war all will devolve into flower sniffing hippies like pandas.
    Also your logic is flawed since you are assuming that enemy wants peace as well. And thats not the case with burning legion for instance. War is good for us and makes us ready to face it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    Then how we keep our skills sharp and ready ? Without war all will devolve into flower sniffing hippies like pandas.
    Also your logic is flawed since you are assuming that enemy wants peace as well. And thats not the case with burning legion for instance. War is good for us and makes us ready to face it.
    Also this. Look at Night Elves, thousands of years without conflict and when they get out of their isolation, they look like bigger primitives than orcs, and thats something.
    The common man is like a worm in the gut of a corpse, trapped inside a prison of cold flesh, helpless and uncaring, unaware even of the inevitability of its own doom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callei View Post
    How so? Nothing in the game does anything but support that the empowerment of the Sha is our fault. Just about everyone with a name keeps reminding us to chill, broski, but we keep ignoring them because it's easier said than done, especially after all these years of letting our passions run high on the battlefield.
    what I mean is, in the opening stages of pandaria, it created this interesting feel for feel for how the sha worked and what they were doing. Its easy to see why the sha manifested in the jade forest, because we brought it out, but when we got to the shado pan temple, it made it seem like it was the shado pans fault for violence and hate to have manifested because of there own inability to control there own emotions, showing the pandaren were not perfect themselves.
    But instead, kosak just cast it away and said 'nope, its all your fault', that just makes it feel contrived, instead of adding some depth to it that the shado pan are as responsible for this happening as us, this just makes it feel like a poorly thought out plot device.

    If you had the shado pan and taran zu admit it was there fault for giving into there hate, then it would have made them seem more humble and more well rounded in admitting there mistakes, and thus lead by example. But instead, blizzard just says 'nope, its all your fault, you take blame for it'.
    Oh, so there has never been any violence and hate spread across pandaria before we arrived? So the mantid and yaungol have been so friendly and peaceful? Bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    Then how we keep our skills sharp and ready ? Without war all will devolve into flower sniffing hippies like pandas.
    Also your logic is flawed since you are assuming that enemy wants peace as well. And thats not the case with burning legion for instance. War is good for us and makes us ready to face it.
    You mean like the Pandaren who don't fight for 1000 years until the Mantid show up again ? One Shado Pan in times of peace can still take out 50 Yaungol on his own... well, so much for sharpening skills without fighting.

    And after all that happened, neither Horde nor Alliance want to continue fighting, you know, the broad majority of people, who aren't soldiers... normal people, they don't want war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KunkkaTheAdmiral View Post
    You mean like the Pandaren who don't fight for 1000 years until the Mantid show up again ?
    You missed the point of the Swarming. Its not to breach the wall, its to cull the weak hatchlings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    You missed the point of the Swarming. Its not to breach the wall, its to cull the weak hatchlings.
    Which is completely true, that doesn't change the fact that the Pandaren can defend themselves.
    "Why do we fight? To protect home and family, to preserve balance and bring harmony. For my kind the true question is, what is worth fighting for?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    If you had the shado pan and taran zu admit it was there fault for giving into there hate, then it would have made them seem more humble and more well rounded in admitting there mistakes, and thus lead by example. But instead, blizzard just says 'nope, its all your fault, you take blame for it'.
    "Taran still blames himself for letting his hatred get the best of him and setting this beast loose on the land."

    He does claim it was his own fault.
    But the reason it's our fault is that we set a chain reaction into effect that caused ripples throughout Pandaria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scummer View Post
    "Taran still blames himself for letting his hatred get the best of him and setting this beast loose on the land."

    He does claim it was his own fault.
    But the reason it's our fault is that we set a chain reaction into effect that caused ripples throughout Pandaria.
    So even though its in the game that taran zu is at fault for this happening just as much, kosak comes in and says 'nope, its all your fault'.. they can't even get there own lore in order.
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    Look lets get fucking real here. Its a fantasy game where we want to be fighting good or evil. The whole ancient wisdom of peace and serenity bullshit wont last outside of this expansion. Let the pandas be condescending while they can, and then we can get back to fighting the legion, or wherever the hell this horrible story has derailed to.

    You think we would all be playing WoW if it was about building bridges and doing teambuilding exercises with the undead? Hell no, I want to kill some Allies, not sit down and discuss politics over some jade scented tea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KunkkaTheAdmiral View Post
    You mean like the Pandaren who don't fight for 1000 years until the Mantid show up again ? One Shado Pan in times of peace can still take out 50 Yaungol on his own... well, so much for sharpening skills without fighting.

    And after all that happened, neither Horde nor Alliance want to continue fighting, you know, the broad majority of people, who aren't soldiers... normal people, they don't want war.
    Pandaren defend themselves because mantids wants to fight, not to conquer. If they run out of enemies they civilisation would fall into civil war. Unlike most azeroth races mantid can actually plan things ahead, and understand consequences of they actions.

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