Texas senator Wendy Davis stands for women's rights - literally

[Velaniz]

"Almost all higher animals" - Humans are a higher animal.

"Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell" Since Humans are higher animals, they start from a single cell.

"the fertilized ovum (zygote)" -The zygote is where the human begins.

And what about being human grants one the right to life. The mere fact of being human? Or the other qualities that come with being human, which the fetus doesn't have.

[Felya]

They say that but we are looking for a clean child. Meet the mother, go the the ultrasounds and the like. We are paying all medical bills.

Yet, you want people to put up their kids for adoption, instead of abortion? You think you are the only one who would not take a baby from a mother who ran off? From someone not clean? Too sick? Drug dependent?

Yeah, keep talking about that 5 year wait.......

[Deleted]

Hmm, not really, no. Once again, nobody is debating that the development cycle of an organism starts at conception. The question that has evaded answer is: "when does the cell-goo become a human?" Note that being "a human" [noun] is distinct and separate from being "of human," [adjective]. In such that I, Rao, am (as far as you know) a human [noun]; whereas my fingers, toes, and shoes even, are human [adjective] fingers/toes/shoes.

It is a human [adjective] zygote. It is not a human [noun].

This is when.

"Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."
[Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1]

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And what about being human grants one the right to life. The mere fact of being human? Or the other qualities that come with being human, which the fetus doesn't have.

Well, rights are a human invention. Being human means to be apart of the homosapien species.

[Allarius]

That is the human cycle, which has a development cycle throughout it.

"Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."
[Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1]

Another quote telling me the zygote is the beginning of the development cycle.

[Deleted]

Another quote telling me the zygote is the beginning of the development cycle.

It literally says a zygote is a human. "the beginning of a human being"

[RaoBurning]

So what about all those babies that could have been aborted? The ones from low income families? They're not clean so they're not good enough? You're willing to let children rot in adoption centers for the sake of you wanting a "clean" child?

I think they mean Juno style, there from almost day one type of thing, instead of "omg where did this one come from?" - Maybe.

[Wells]

It literally says a zygote is a human. "the beginning of a human being"

How after 80 pages are you incapable of making a distinction between a human as a biological organism no different than any other animal and a human being as an entity with rights.

[klimon]

"Embryo: An organism in the earliest stage of development; in a man, from the time of conception to the end of the second month in the uterus."

It's not the same when it is a human.

Wait, are we talking about embryos, fetuses or zygotes? I am pretty sure you were talking about zygotes. Also, while the time frame differs, the period after being an embryo is also called a fetus for all other "higher" animals.

[Allarius]

It literally says a zygote is a human. "the beginning of a human being"

No, it literally says, "represents the beginning of a human being".

Just take that as facevalue, the zygote is literally the first piece of a person to be created, thus the beginning. No where in there does it state anything about a zygote being synonymous with a full fledged person.

[Deleted]

How after 80 pages are you incapable of making a distinction between a human as a biological organism no different than any other animal and a human being as an entity with rights.

Because a human is a biological entity. You're thinking of persona, or person.

[klimon]

It literally says a zygote is a human. "the beginning of a human being"

If this helps you, Therionn, here is a photo of an actual MOUSE zygote. I can get you photos of most other animals' zygotes, too.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...72552748648363

[Velaniz]

A fetus can't be a victim the way any other murdered human can. Being 'human' by itself doesn't make the fetus special.

[Deleted]

Wait, are we talking about embryos, fetuses or zygotes? I am pretty sure you were talking about zygotes. Also, while the time frame differs, the period after being an embryo is also called a fetus for all other "higher" animals.

"Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."
[Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1]

[RaoBurning]

This is when.

"Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."
[Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1]

Yet again, in the same way batter is the beginning of the doughnut, yes; but one is not the other. At what point is it cake and not batter?

The bolded human is descriptive of the word "being." Still looking for when we switch to human [noun].

Yes, I'm changing my baker terms mid-post. Have to keep sane somehow.

[klimon]

"Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."
[Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1]

If the sperm is a sheep's sperm, and the ovum is a sheep's ovum, is the resultant zygote a human?

(hint: no)

[Deleted]

If this helps you, Therionn, here is a photo of an actual MOUSE zygote. I can get you photos of most other animals' zygotes, too.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...72552748648363

They look the same, yes. But a moose zygote can only be a moose, and a human zygote can only be a human. There's more in biology than what meets the eye.

[Wells]

Because a human is a biological entity. You're thinking of persona, or person.

SO in otherwords you're aware of the difference, you just choose to ignore it to shore up your floundering position.

[Deleted]

If the sperm is a sheep's sperm, and the ovum is a sheep's ovum, is the resultant zygote a human?

(hint: no)

No. This is obviously referring to humans.

[Felya]

If this helps you, Therionn, here is a photo of an actual MOUSE zygote. I can get you photos of most other animals' zygotes, too.

Valiant effort, but it's moot. You can come up with all the science you want. In the end, we will end up with single cell organisms and handling your business is mass murder.

[klimon]

No. This is obviously referring to humans.

What is special about a human zygote vs a mouse zygote or a fish zygote? Could you tell the difference if you had all 3 in front of you?