Its ok, just wanted to say TBC heroics were (imo) perfectly tuned.
And even in raid gear you could still wipe in MgT for example. The problem I have since WotlK is that heroic apparently means "zerg everything down in 20 minutes even in blue gear". Trust me, Cataclysm heroics werent even half as hard as TBC ones, and still people cried and got them nerfed. Which just shows how the playerbase degrades after you put out dumbed down content like WotlK heroics.
Assholes or benevolent tyrants it really doesn't matter. Having to rely on the kindness and generosity of the few who actually were kind and generous (and I did meet some while pugging although they were few) is terrible.
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No it doesn't. That's you making up rhetoric. Hardcore play has never been more hardcore. The only thing that has been lost has been your ability to tell others how to play or what to do or even what standards to play at. Well that's fine, you can still play hardcore nobody cares.
ACTUALLY, it should. People organising puts is what this game RELIES on. Let's take an example here:
http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/...ting.tier15_25
THIS is a community organised pug that evolved, but for an entire year from Ulduar onwards through Wrath, this was a pug on my server Ravencrest. This was organised by a player who chose to do it, and without that there's hundreds of people who wouldn't have got raids on alts, mains or otherwise.
People in the community stepping up and helping to organise things is what's important. You're attacking the wrong person, because you seem to think the game should evolve a community on its own and not have people who actually keep it rolling over.
*sigh* no it doesn't. It doesn't hurt GOOD players, it only hurts players who can't find people to play with naturally, who relied on forcing others to play with them. I see pugs forming daily, I can show you screenshots FFS, so when you tell me it doesn't happen, the only thing I read is that it doesn't happen WITH YOU. Which tells me a lot about what kind of person you are.
The night is dark and full of terrors...
Sounds to me like some people had their feelings hurt at some point and are scarred because of it.
LFR is acidic to the integrity of the content as a whole.
If you feel like you have to suck up to someone then your doing it wrong. Also these players do not hold the keys to the instance. You still reserve the option to lead your own raid. Do not bash others for your own choice to leave them the responsibility of leading a raid. This player also pays for the game and have a real life, they are not running a charity.
anaxie, your sig states your ilevel is 548. My best toon is ilevel 521 - that's primarily shado-pan valor gear and the remaining 502s from LFR. I still have 2 weeks to go to fully upgrade the items, which should put me at 524. You. You are not casual, regardless of what you might think.
If you're doing normal and heroic raiding - which your ilevel suggests - you aren't casual, and you're pissing off those of us who are. Please stop.
The only people lfr has had any bad effect on is the social guilds that use to be doing normal that saw normals get tuned past them. LFR has been a huge victory for the hardcore crowd. Normal got tuned higher to please them, nerfed less to stop the bads from seeing THERE content. Now tho your still unhappy and want to take it a step further. Now it's lets design content for less then 1 percent of the players and tell the others to get lost.
Side Note: Glorious Leader, I really like your avatar. Would you mind if I steal it for STO?
No, I'm attacking the right person, the "gatekeeper" player who thinks he has the right to choose which of his peers "deserves" to play the game. You think they are doing community a favor by organizing pugs, but they are only contributing to the exclusivity of the community, the development of bullshit cliques and alienation.
The night is dark and full of terrors...
If I could go back in time to whoever on the development team came up with the idea of lfr and somehow snuff out that idea I would. I would literally give these players what they're asking because the consequence of what they are asking is apparently so far out of their purview that they are oblivious. Please please please blizzard get rid of lfr, grant them their wish and all the consequences that come with it. Then you can tell them careful what you wish for..
Organized raiding is never going to be, from this point onward, something that a community involving a significant percentage of the WoW player base will or can be organized around.
It's an unpopular fringe activity with a player base that is distinct from the rest of the player base.
WoW needs community, I agree, but raiding will not, can not be that community. Just not going to happen. I'm not sure it ever did happen but if so it lived and died in Wrath.
Admittedly I only read the last few pages but you alternate between telling tales of how you are so great that you inspire other people and posting how not all Heroic Raiders are elitist jerks.
I hate to tell you this but giving those poor LFR raiders a pat on the head and a "good job champ" is still being a jerk. You just happen to be a condescending one.
No, that's incorrect also. Being casual is based on time input and effort to a lot of people. To someone who raids 7 days a week, a raider who still clears things a month later but only raids 4 days a week is relatively casual. It is a subjective definition of playstyle, and to be offended because someone defines himself as casual is fairly immature given how bi-polar the definitions of casual and hardcore are these days.
Wrong. Being able to get on for 4-5 hours a week could still be considered casual. When I raided I was never 'hardcore'. I got on on raid times, stuck with the group for as far as we could get, and logged off. It's that simple.
YOU don't have the time for the game. Don't expect the game to make time for you. It's just the kind of game WoW is(was).
It's all yours brother. I agree with your post btw. Hardcores have it so good they don't know but since they don't have the entire pie well their some victimized minority.
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They did not however do this when 5.2 first came out. They are hardcore for all intents and purposes either as defined by "skill" or "time". The word itself is big enough to contain both meanings. I'm sure they consider themselves casuals. I clear tot in one night to (on lfr and on normal) and I consider myself a casual. I guess that makes annaxie and me the same?
No, you are turning what is someone organising and creating accessibility to players into extreme hyperbole of him stomping down the weak amazing player who turns up ungemmed and unprepared for raids, because he can't "have faith". YOU are projecting that one guy that told you no in a pug onto every pug creator, which quite simply doesn't happen. You may have had a bad experience, we have all had bad experiences, damn, I've had some god awful terrible experiences, you just need to accept that when dealing with other people, sometimes, standards can be different.