GDKP Raids not allowed anymore?

[Chargingbul]

I used to run GDKP Raids in ICC/DS with no issues and great success.

Everyone wins, you get gold if you don't get items. Everyone is more motivated, better than a standard PUG. Good way to gear Alts.

I came back to WoW after about 5 months away and the last month has been kinda boring for my alts. LFR is zzzzzz. So I thought I would start a GDKP

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/9423382341#1

Have a full raid but the thread got locked and look at what the moderator posted ;/

GDKP Raids not allowed anymore?

UPDATE FROM A GM TICKET


"Isolatius
Customer Service Representative
Hello there,

This is Isolatius from the Game Master department here at Blizzard Entertainment. Thank you for taking the time to contact us. You have been correctly informed the GDKP runs are unsupported transactions and are discouraged.

This change in stance went into place nearly 2 years ago.

The reasoning was that while there were many legitimate runs, a large percentage or runs ended in a scam or dispute of some sort on how the gold should be split.

Also, in many cases the buyers would end up buying gold beforehand which became a real mess when it was uncovered that the gold had been acquired by the gold selling company in a compromise. Explaining to "carriers" that we had to take back their gold that they had earned in the run due to it having come from a compromised account was a real mess and wasn't a situation we wanted others to be in going forward

These days, we treat these runs much like in-game "casinos" which is to say that if people engage in this activity, and everyone goes away happy, we don't really mind, but if there is some sort of dispute, it can lead to account suspension for the hosting player. We will also not reimburse any sort of losses that occur.

It is worth noting, that simply advertising a casino is a serious violation and can result in account action just for advertising. GDKP raids aren't at that same level, but are otherwise pretty much in the same boat.

Hopefully that helps give you some background on the situation. I was working these kind of reports back when the change was made, and I can assure you that things were out-of-control when this stance change went into effect.

Please let us know if you have further questions or concerns about this

Also, on a side note, we do NOT allow bots, and regularly ban tens of thousands of botters. If you happen to suspect a player of botting, please let us know using the in-game reporting option.

Also, its worth noting the vast majoirty of botting is done on compromised accounts by gold selling companies. Some of their most noticeably activity includes the "teleport hack miners". If you see any of these, please let us know as soon as possible so we can secure the account and get it back to the owner.

We appreciate your time and understanding in this matter. Please feel free to contact us if you require any further assistance. We hope you continue to enjoy your experience in World of Warcraft!

Isolatius
Customer Services
Blizzard Entertainment
www.blizzard.com/support

[GrieverXIII]

Looks like you just got a completly clueless moderator (since when GDKPs are "sales"?, they are legion on official forums. Never heard of any rules agains't those, could be worth asking on the CS board, maybe you'll find someone that actually play the game to answer you.

I loved those in WoLTK.

[CosmicGuitars]

I guess so.

Never understood why anybody participated in these types of runs, anyway.

[klaps_05]

You basically advertised that geared people will be boosting others and the gold will be split, which is not what GDKP is. In GDKP raids everyone is supposed to need items so that way the pot is much bigger and people keep coming.

[ACES]

They're allowed, but I guess you can't advertise them. Similar to the /roll games people run. I've done several GDKP raids in MoP so far.

[Absolucion]

I don`t even see a Blue posting there. Also, but not only, 525 for ToT normals? GDKP or not, you look just like you want to be carried.

[Daetur]

They're "unsupported," the moderator said. That just means if someone screws you over, Blizzard can't and won't do anything about it.

The message says "While not in violation of the Terms of Use they are unsupported."

Not in violation of the ToU = they're not going to ban you over it. Unsupported = they're not going to do anything if someone ninjas, steals the raid's money, etc.

That's my interpretation, anyway.

[Wilhelm137]

Please do not advertise the sale of these types of transactions. While not in violation of the Terms of Use they are unsupported. If it doesn't fit in a trade window or on the auction house, it would not be supported and therefore should not be advertised on these forums.

This copy and paste that they do is just amazing, really makes me wonder just how much they look at certain threads.....because ya. The tcg buy/sell thread in the achievement part of the forums....every single page of that has people selling or buying blizzcon pet/mount codes or talking about using a code on someone server and the person buying the code beforehand. Now idk about anyone else but to me that just screams unsupported or even against the tos considering they are selling codes and not the items themselves, and yet that threads has gone to almost 27 capped threads.

[Mahoraba]

GDKP was big during Firelands, without LFR it was amazing for those people who couldn't raid but had lots of gold because of how easy it is to obtain, it appealed to both parties of high-end raiders with already decent alts from there own alt runs and to those people without gear that wanted something tangible but could be bothered to stick to a raiding schedule.

In my opinion, LFR took the role that GDKP filled for most of those people that you would see the majority of the gold that you would make from this type of run.

As for the Moderator in question, they're retarded, the runs are indeed allowed and fine to do.

You basically advertised that geared people will be boosting others and the gold will be split, which is not what GDKP is. In GDKP raids everyone is supposed to need items so that way the pot is much bigger and people keep coming.

This is Just.. wrong.

You need carries to make your run successful, even more so now then when GDKP was popular (Firelands) his description of GDKP, is GDKP. You don't need all 25 people to be 'in need of items', you only need the vast majority of them to need items, he needed people that would 'carry' the run to success, with the least amount of fail possible to make it both enjoyable and efficient.

[GrieverXIII]

I guess so.

Never understood why anybody participated in these types of runs, anyway.

Guaranteed gear for rich alts and guaranteed gold for bored geared players to run trivial content. Sounds like a win/win situation to me.

Doubt they can work anymore though, patches come too fast and completly obsolete's the gear from the previous tier and LFR offers comparable options completly free of charge and requires no organisation, thoughts, or efforts, so why bother?.

[Fhi]

They're "unsupported," the moderator said. That just means if someone screws you over, Blizzard can't and won't do anything about it.

The message says "While not in violation of the Terms of Use they are unsupported."

Not in violation of the ToU = they're not going to ban you over it. Unsupported = they're not going to do anything if someone ninjas, steals the raid's money, etc.

That's my interpretation, anyway.

Admittedly, it's been a long time since I organized GDKP runs (ICC was the last), but as far as I know, even if they are unsupported, Blizzard highly encourages clear rules and clear communication in raid chat before the start of the run. We would lay out the rules clearly and advised anyone who disagrees with the system not to participate in the raid. We thankfully never had any problems, but if there were, Blizzard would use the raid chat log rules to arbitrate disputes.

I'm not sure why the thread was locked really.

You basically advertised that geared people will be boosting others and the gold will be split, which is not what GDKP is. In GDKP raids everyone is supposed to need items so that way the pot is much bigger and people keep coming.

Not necessarily. You need good raiders and/or overgeared raiders who don't need loot in order to actually clear bosses. Undergeared people who have gold will want to come in order to get gear by "buying" them, and overgeared people would come to get some gold on the side since they don't need loot. You need a healthy balance of both ends of the spectrum. If you only have rich undergeared alts and could not clear many bosses (and hence, no gear), they would lose interest. If no one needs gear, then your gold pot is going to be very small.

[Belloc]

I guess so.

Never understood why anybody participated in these types of runs, anyway.

Never understood? More like never even thought about it. It's not really difficult to understand: People with gold get gear, people with gear get gold. Everyone is happy.

You basically advertised that geared people will be boosting others and the gold will be split, which is not what GDKP is. In GDKP raids everyone is supposed to need items so that way the pot is much bigger and people keep coming.

GDKPs require both buyers and carriers. Without the carriers, all you have is a pug full of people who probably don't know what they're doing and are almost certainly undergeared. Without the buyers, you have a bunch of people farming the instance.

Neither of those work. You need both.


OP: Midwinter runs a weekly GDKP on my server. They're allowed.

[Amerissis]

GDKP Raids not allowed anymore?

No where does it say it's not allowed. In fact, it clearly states that it's NOT against the ToU. But it's not supported. If you scam someone, or someone scams you, you're not going to get any help.

[Tziva]

Yeah they just mean that if the raid leader screws you out of your gold, you won't get it back. From Blizzard's perspective, they are probably a bad idea since it one thieving raid leader means 24 upset people and 24 tickets and 24 more upset people that Blizzard says, "sorry, can't do anything about it!"

But they're totally allowed.

[Chargingbul]

By not allowed I mean with regard to being able to advertise on the forums.

[Boogums]

GDKPs are unsupported trades. You can't advertise unsupported trades on the forums.

[Shampro]

You can form them you just cant and never could advertise them within Blizzard's forums / other means, because they are not supported and have never been. I used to run them back in Wrath too, but only with people I trusted, because I knew Blizzard didn't support this, so If i got scamed I was shit out'a luck.

[Chargingbul]

I ran these fine in the past and used the forums to advertise. Never had any issues.

[Wilhelm137]

GDKPs are unsupported trades. You can't advertise unsupported trades on the forums.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8796351837, why does this and all 26 other threads exist then? There are people breaking the tos selling blizzcon items in those threads which are codes only(and according to blizz they do not fit on the ah or in a trade window so that makes them unsupported along with a tos problem being a code).

Never understood blizz logic when it comes to threads, they see random threads in realm forums and decide to make a copy paste response on things that have gone on for years and they're just now against them, but when it comes to high profile threads that receive a good amount of traffic but are clearly against the tos with certain things they shrug it off.

[Tziva]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8796351837, why does this and all 26 other threads exist then? There are people breaking the tos selling blizzcon items in those threads which are codes only(and according to blizz they do not fit on the ah or in a trade window so that makes them unsupported along with a tos problem being a code).

Probably because people haven't reported them and the mods haven't noticed them.

Just because they haven't been caught yet doesn't mean it's permissible.