Why cant a healer carry a BG in WoW?

[apepi]

In Rift you get this big healer symbol over your head as a heals, idk if SWTOR has a system that identifies healers.

I think some of the healers use greenish spells so it is somewhat easy to pick out.

I remember carrying BGs when I was resto back in TBC. I had zero deaths and all three flag caps in countless WSG matches. I'm pretty sure they specifically tried to make it so that couldn't happen... on purpose. Why should one person be able to carry an entire team? There's a difference between making a difference and carrying the team. You can make a difference in a bad team and still lose. When you cross into carrying territory, you're trying to tell me that you think it's fair to heal a team full of idiots who cannot figure out how to play their class or how the BG works and bring them from absolute failure to victory? Why should one person have so much pull in a team game?

It could also have something to do with the playerbases of the different games.

I used to do that on my Resto druid, I finally got exalted with wsg in wotlk.

Play an MW Monk > Queue up for BG > ??? > Win!

No joke, whenever I play my MW monk I'm barely ever CCed and can top off people really well aswell + I can actually do A LOT of damage as MW Monk.

I did this one my monk 2 days ago. I capped the flag then after that my team could not kill the other guy so I held the flag till like 10 stacks and they finally killed me, but they killed the other guy at the same time. 60% resilience for everyone has made our damage a bit weaker though:/.

[Kylecat15]

The only thing I cant stand about WoW PvP anymore is being a healer really, I use to love doing Bgs but its unbearable now. Every class has so much control now (CC, Stun, Silence ect.) I am always being controlled and that and they lowered how much healing you do under damage, I quit my resto druid because I was tired of popping CDs and still getting destroyed.

[Wewlad]

Because people complain about healers being extremely annoying to deal with. A healer should not be able to carry an entire team, nor should a DPS. Healing was way too rampant, I am glad Blizzard has taken steps to curb it.

I agree that CC is way too rampant as well. CC is a crutch which should slowly be done away with.

[Dabrix32]

Not only is the stupid amount of CCs every class gets annoying but it also seems like every single class also has a stupid amount of self healing. I am shocked a lot of times how high warlocks are on the meter. Maybe thats another problem with WoW pvp. When other classes can do silly amounts of self healing it makes it look like you arent needed. I know thats not the case but seeing how high other classes are now on healing done it just takes a lot away from being a healer. Id love to see them nerf self healing through the ground and let us do our jobs. A healer should turn the tide of a BG. If we arent there it should be very hard to win. Im just shocked how long classes in 2v2 arena stay alive when its double DPS. Seriously you have no healer why do you take so long to die. Just seems like healing is devalued especially in BGs where you have 10+ people per side. Obviously healers are very important in Arena but in BGs there have been many times where we lose with 3-4 healers or the enemy wins with no healers.

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Which is kind of funny, because that must mean those games have atrocious balance.

its actually more fun because people notice you. When people dont focus me and I just free cast the entire time its pretty much a guaranteed win. I like feeling like I actually accomplished something. Just look at almost every single PvP achievement in WoW and they are all for DPS. DPS basically get all the glory.

[inboundpaper]

I don't remember Swotor pvp being the pinnacle of balance, it was fun, but that shit was so broken.

[Deleted]

i've seen 1-2 good healers giving a bad team a fighting chance in a WoW bg.
but carrying them too victory that i never saw happen in a terrible team and thats for a good reason.
its totally utterly unbalanced if such a thing would be possible. and its really sad if this is really true in Rift, cause it would mean its PvP balance is even worse then WoW's.
which has boatloads of people complaining about it already.

[Avada Kedavra]

I get that feeling in wow, mainly in RBG's where it can be more evident, and even more so when it is blatantly obvious.

IE:



<<<da monk - dats me

[Dabrix32]

I really need to roll a Monk.

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I don't remember Swotor pvp being the pinnacle of balance, it was fun, but that shit was so broken.

but broken PvP is so much more fun. Seriously are people having more fun now or was it more fun during Wrath? PvP is just so much more fun when you can kill 40+ people without dying.

[Ogait]

Play an MW Monk > Queue up for BG > ??? > Win!

No joke, whenever I play my MW monk I'm barely ever CCed and can top off people really well aswell + I can actually do A LOT of damage as MW Monk.

I was trying to buy a piece from Black Market and a random paladin went there to kill me (MW Monk) and after a couple of seconds was running away in fear.
After a few minutes he appears and brings a Feral Druid and both got owned easly.

MW Monk are really strong in PvP in 1vs1 and 2vs1, since you can heal properly and still put pressure on them properly.

Before people start saying random shit, I am not an expert and those who I fought aren't the best either, but from what I read, MW Monk are really strong in PvP.

[Celista]

its totally utterly unbalanced if such a thing would be possible. and its really sad if this is really true in Rift, cause it would mean its PvP balance is even worse then WoW's.

I don't think it is, from what I've seen so far in Rift. Maybe endgame...but idk. Healing spells just don't feel all that OP, like my resto druid felt like in Wrath or my disc priest in Cata or my mw monk in MoP.

*shrug* just my 2 cents.

[Lilly32]

yea playing healer in Rift is so much more fun. I can easily troll 3-4 enemy players on my cleric cause she just cant be killed. I have kited what seemed like half the enemy team around maps before allowing my team to easily win the match. I dont know why they kept following me. I guess they were really mad that 4 or 5 people couldnt kill 1 simple healer. I try doing that in WoW and just get stun raped. Its really not fun. I want to feel like Im doing something and leading the scoreboard in deaths really isnt anyone's idea of fun. I dont know why people always say healers are OP in WoW. I never feel OP. But when I watch Horde healers they just stand back and no one even touches them. Why the hell do I get focused so much as Alliance. Am I doing it wrong?

[Mr. Casual]

Play an MW Monk > Queue up for BG > ??? > Win!

No joke, whenever I play my MW monk I'm barely ever CCed and can top off people really well aswell + I can actually do A LOT of damage as MW Monk.

yea mw are crazy in bgs, make me rage so hard and for some reason only seem to visible to me lol

[Celista]

yea playing healer in Rift is so much more fun. I can easily troll 3-4 enemy players on my cleric cause she just cant be killed. I have kited what seemed like half the enemy team around maps before allowing my team to easily win the match. I dont know why they kept following me. I guess they were really mad that 4 or 5 people couldnt kill 1 simple healer. I try doing that in WoW and just get stun raped. Its really not fun. I want to feel like Im doing something and leading the scoreboard in deaths really isnt anyone's idea of fun. I dont know why people always say healers are OP in WoW. I never feel OP. But when I watch Horde healers they just stand back and no one even touches them. Why the hell do I get focused so much as Alliance. Am I doing it wrong?

What class are you playing in wow? Makes a difference.

And what spec are you playing in Rift...maybe my spec sucks. Using a Sentinel build atm.

[ChocoboMog123]

A lot of people are saying that WoW is more balanced because one person can't carry a team, but that just makes no sense. How much a single person can carry a team has nothing to do with balance. So long as every class can contribute similarly, in an important way, the game is balanced.

Back in Wrath, it was easily possible for most classes to carry an entire BG, be it based on skill or gear (probably both). Rogues could make a kill and stealth away, Locks could tank a team, Rets could tank a team, Warriors could charge > kill > intervene, Hunters could kite, Shaman could kite - each class had a distinct features that allowed it to survive and make kills.

If anything, showing that you can carry a team shows that the game is rewarding personal skill, rather than a lack of team suckitude. I think a skilled playercould often go 20/0 on his own, without the need of a babysitter.

[ItachiZaku]

Been doing a lot of Rift and SW:ToR pvp this week and noticed something very very different compared to doing BGs in WoW. A healer can actually carry a bad team in those games and if you have 2 decent healers its basically a free win no matter how bad your team mates are. I play both factions in those games so its not just being on the OP side. I actually seem to make a difference as a healer and it feels good. When the fights are over and I have the most damage taken with only 1 death I just laugh. But when I try the same thing in WoW all I do is stay perma stunned, silenced, and top the deaths meter. I dont feel like Im contributing much at all. I dont really have many moments where I actually felt like we won because of my healing. Theres even been many times when I have beaten the other healers combined healing done and we still lose. It just doesnt feel very gratifying.

Oh, I don't know about that. Not so much in AV or IoC, but I can carry a BG (not rated, cuz who cares about that) but a normal BG? Sure. As resto druid, I can do some shit.

Rift and SWTOR... yeah, on my Warden in Rift or my Inquisitor in SWTOR, very capable of running the show. Obviously, top ranked and geared etc. I really see no difference in any of the 3 games.

[Mican17]

Good dps can carry a game more than a good healer can now imo. A good healer can carry an average group to a win, but they still need at least average dps. Ive seen far too often a team with 2-3 good healers lose the game because their dps cant kill anything.

These have been my observations as well, after switching my main from DPS to healer two months ago.