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  1. #41
    I'm fine with arenas as I dont need full team of 10 people. But as said already rbs requirement is rather rough. I really hope they'll change and into or. Otherwise I'm affraid I'll be forced to buy a boost (noone of the teams I asked were in need of a monk, or "1700 at least required")

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    Quote Originally Posted by durrtygoodz View Post
    But, a big point of the achieve to to encourage people to do it. Blizzard have said they've been thinking of ways to encourage players of all skill levels to queue up, so this achieve is good. Looking at current ladders doesnt give the best idea of how active people are because there's alot of 3v3 teams that people leave, disband, remake, hop around etc etc. I bet there's plenty of people that have done 100 wins this season but are not in a 100+ win team.
    There's no more teams in 5.4
    It was never Hardcore Vs Casual. It was Socialites Vs. Solo players
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    If this achievement and mount is meant for a wider audience (as stated by blues), then why the hell is it restricted to 3v3 arenas only? What about 5v5 and 2v2? 100 arena wins and 40 RBGs for a whole season is an ok goal, why restrict it to 3v3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post
    There's no more teams in 5.4
    My post was a reply to the guy I quote who mention this current season teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightfall View Post
    If this achievement and mount is meant for a wider audience (as stated by blues), then why the hell is it restricted to 3v3 arenas only? What about 5v5 and 2v2? 100 arena wins and 40 RBGs for a whole season is an ok goal, why restrict it to 3v3?
    Mainly due to the fact that the game is "balanced around 3v3", it's the most competitive bracket, and they want people to queue up for it.

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    Nice. Never bothered with RBG, but time to do it I guess.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Niberion View Post
    Lying is not your strongest point.
    Unless you played 24/7 doing at least 6 games per hour, it's not really possible to get 1000+ games a week.

    Honestly, I don't see a reason at all to raise the numbers, they are fine as they are right now. Heck, just look at the ladders for 3s at how many teams are sitting on sub-100 wins. If it was for 2s, I'd completely agree that 100 is too little, but for 3s it's fine since afaik most casuals don't even bother with 3s right now.
    Umm, are you sure about your math there? 1000 games at 5 minutes each is 5000 minutes. 5000 minutes is 83 hours. 83/7 is 11 hours a day. Yup, sounds about right. Would get home from school at 2 and play til midnight or so. I remember one day I did 2v2 for like 6 hours, then 3v3 for like 3 hours, then 2v2 for another 5 hours in one day. Didn't really do anything but arenas, was all we found fun for a while after we had full cleared Sunwell and then in Wrath raiding was just bad until Ulduar. Now PvP is pretty bad, so I haven't done arenas in months. =\

    Also it's not like we did this every week, school vacation weeks and such and during the summer though for sure we could. Wish there was a way to show it, but armory doesn't show how many arena games have been played, have over 14k on my Priest then I played my Paladin a lot as well. Wouldn't be terribly shocked if I had over 20k arenas total over all my characters.

    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post
    Yeah, except the 3v3 rule.. that's very restrictive.. why can't I get it for winning 100 2v2 or 5v5 games?

    The AND thing seems stupid... it might be a missclick.. because it's very hard for a "Wide range" to get into rbgs, but easy to get into arena
    3v3 is the only balanced bracket, 2v2 is horribly unbalanced and 5v5 is... Kind of a clusterfuck. I'd imagine a large amount of players already do 2v2, and they said they want to get more people into PvP so I'm assuming they want more people doing 3v3 arenas.

    That's also why they want more people doing RBGs, however I don't think it's going to work that well. I like the mount, but honestly I probably wouldn't use it anyway and being forced into RBGs isn't going to happen for a mount. 100 3v3 wins I could easily do in a week, 40 RBG wins I couldn't do in my life. I think I have 2 RBG wins, played 3 games, realized it was a joke and haven't bothered doing it again.

  7. #47
    I think its should be 100 arena or 40 rbg. Since rbgs were introduced I still havent done even 40 of them. Yet it feels I have spent alot of time in rbg. No way im ever gonna go for 40 rbg victories.

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    Not sure if I start playing 3v3 instead of 2v2 just for the mount. I really like that cat but still.

    40 RBGs seems like a nice incentive for a wider audience to actually play them as Arena is more efficient for capping Conquest. Arena part of the achievement could still benefit from including 2v2 and 5v5 though.

    For those who play arenas only to cap Conquest it takes iirc 10 wins per week, so it'll take 2.5 months to complete this requirement for achievement. RBGs will require 2-4 wins a week to cap (as you gain some CP for a loss and you can't always win obviously) plus an additional 1 win every other week while capping by Arena, so it takes approximately 2.5-3 months to complete as a dedicated casual. The achievement requires 5 months of capping Conquest every week, not bad.

    Still wish 2v2 were included...

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    Quote Originally Posted by durrtygoodz View Post
    But, a big point of the achieve to to encourage people to do it. Blizzard have said they've been thinking of ways to encourage players of all skill levels to queue up, so this achieve is good. Looking at current ladders doesnt give the best idea of how active people are because there's alot of 3v3 teams that people leave, disband, remake, hop around etc etc. I bet there's plenty of people that have done 100 wins this season but are not in a 100+ win team.
    Yes, but now ask yourself, how many players actually do 3s?
    From what I can tell, most people play 2s for cap since there is nothing to gain from 3s if you don't play it serious. Heck, I'm even pretty sure there are millions of players that haven't even tried 3s at all. Having people play a ~200 games of 3s compared not doing 3s at all is pretty big already. Aside from that, it should be something easily doable, not something that feels like a massive grind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rucati View Post
    Umm, are you sure about your math there? 1000 games at 5 minutes each is 5000 minutes. 5000 minutes is 83 hours. 83/7 is 11 hours a day. Yup, sounds about right. Would get home from school at 2 and play til midnight or so. I remember one day I did 2v2 for like 6 hours, then 3v3 for like 3 hours, then 2v2 for another 5 hours in one day.
    So you manage to do a game every 5 minutes, including sitting in queue, preparation time, etc? You even have friends that are willing to play non-stop for that long?
    Sorry bro but I recognize bullshit when I see it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Runningman View Post
    I think its should be 100 arena or 40 rbg. Since rbgs were introduced I still havent done even 40 of them. Yet it feels I have spent alot of time in rbg. No way im ever gonna go for 40 rbg victories.
    100 arena wins and 40 RBG wins should take around the same time to complete. If you can complete 100 arena victories, 40 rbg wins should be doable as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niberion View Post
    100 arena wins and 40 RBG wins should take around the same time to complete. If you can complete 100 arena victories, 40 rbg wins should be doable as well
    Here is the major problem, Blizzard has just designed Arena to be very much a pick up game, no more carries, no more joining with a higher level friend.. it works like leauge of legends does.

    Arena now can be picked up and put down without making teams, or any other nonsense... RBG's on the other hand require a well put together team, on my tiny ass server, ain't no one pugs RBG's and I belong to a PvE guild. IF they want pve to try arena.. this isnt how to do it
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    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post
    Here is the major problem, Blizzard has just designed Arena to be very much a pick up game, no more carries, no more joining with a higher level friend.. it works like leauge of legends does.

    Arena now can be picked up and put down without making teams, or any other nonsense... RBG's on the other hand require a well put together team, on my tiny ass server, ain't no one pugs RBG's and I belong to a PvE guild. IF they want pve to try arena.. this isnt how to do it
    Try openraid, OQueue, teamfinder, forums, etc to find people. You can team up with anyone for RBG, regardless of server or battlegroup.

  12. #52
    Are people seriously pushing for this achievement to only be 100 3v3 wins?

    Pathetic.
    That can be done in an evening or three by any idiot by tanking MMR and just killing people who I can only think to be bots.

    People are also over estimating how hard it is to get into a low MMR group. Go join up with the others having such a hard time.
    They could have easily made this 100+ RBG wins in a season. I'd love to see the QQ then.

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  13. #53
    Hopefully they dont do the same bs where its only per character. I would not enjoy doing 400 rbgs between my toons for this
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  14. #54
    Should have rating requirements.
    40 rbg wins + 100 3v3 wins both over 2k rating I would have been fine with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post
    The AND thing seems stupid... it might be a missclick.. because it's very hard for a "Wide range" to get into rbgs, but easy to get into arena
    It's not though.

    Here's Holinka's twitter.

    Here's the important part:
    Guy 1: Soooo... How do we get these mounts again? : )
    Holinka: Win 100 3V3 arena games and 40 RBG in a season
    Guy 2: So will we have the choice or will we need to do both arena and RBG ?
    Holinka: You need to do both. It rewards the well-rounded PvPer.
    I agree with you though...I think they should have said "well rounded" initially as opposed to "wider range". The only thing they meant by "wider range" was that rating wouldn't matter. I don't think they're going to draw new people into doing PvP with this just to get the mount. I think they're trying to take the current PvP audience and spread it thinner. Sure there are some people who like both arenas and RBGs but if there's anything I've seen from this forum, it's that arena players typically don't like to do RBGs and RBGers don't really like arenas.

    The RBG wins will be easy for me. I don't particularly like arenas...I'll get them done for sure, the requirement isn't that hard and I want the mount, but I think there are a lot of people who will skip getting the mount because they prefer one setting or the other and do not want to do both.

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Ettan View Post
    Should have rating requirements.
    40 rbg wins + 100 3v3 wins both over 2k rating I would have been fine with.
    The goal is to attract newer players into PvP. Wouldn't be very succesfull if they made them for under 10% of the current pvp population (because as much as people shittalk about rating, most players never even see 2k, specially now.)

    Edit : When he said "wider audience", i'm pretty sure he based that off no rating requirements and based on the fact its the first PvP rewards every arena players will be able to work towards since the Tabard earned after 300 wins, wich was introduced in S5). Every other arena rewards usually requires very high ratings that the vast majority of players will never see.
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  17. #57
    remove rbg requirement, make it 100 wins in ANY bracket over 2k rating. dont forget there is rating inflation going on so by the end of the season everyone will have it even if they are 1500 players.

  18. #58
    Hmm, why they don't change normal garrosh mount requirement to 20 normal or heroic kills rather then 1 normal kill then?

    Again as I said earlier I have no problems with doing arenas (100-200, doesnt matter) but I have problems with finding rbg team as I don't have rbg experience on my monk. Every time I asked to join I've heard "whisper 1700+ achiev on this char or don't bother asking". Besides monk is not the most desirable class for rbg as far as I know.

  19. #59
    It's sad that people are complaining. It's an achievement rewarded mount, not a free one. You have to work for it. It is a reward for the well versed PvPer, not for everyone. Those of who PvP often feel a lot of PvE mounts should be available to us, but that's not how this game works.

    Honestly, 40 Wins is way low. It should be 500 Arena wins and 300 RBG Wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shieldd View Post
    It's sad that people are complaining. It's an achievement rewarded mount, not a free one. You have to work for it. It is a reward for the well versed PvPer, not for everyone. Those of who PvP often feel a lot of PvE mounts should be available to us, but that's not how this game works.

    Honestly, 40 Wins is way low. It should be 500 Arena wins and 300 RBG Wins.
    Show me one mount that is not available to pvper. Even heroic ones are obtainable. You can get a boosts for ONE boss kill, kill him later. Same goes for meta achievements mounts. The only exclusion (and it's a new one) is garrosh mount which requires to kill him ONCE on normal. Come on, it's not comparable. It's like probably 20-30 mins for one kill (or few hours progress if you'd be riding that tier). Getting pvp mount will take a lot more time.

    I won't mention gladiator mounts for the very special snowflake group that are not obtainable after the season ends. So no, all mounts are available to pvper, one way on another. Pvp mounts are not always available to pveer.

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