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  1. #601
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    Quote Originally Posted by ACES View Post
    The Blizzard store is not a slippery slope, it is a smart business move to bring in more money for the company. The more resources Blizzard has, the more content they can develop and the better off we are as players.
    Back in WoTLK there was a rumor about Blizz income from WoW, they were spending 250milion a year with over 1billion income. I bet that with Diablo III and SC2 success, even after sub decline, they still are making more they can spend Item shop is just a way to milk that money making machine called WoW before it's too late. WoW has no competition when it comes to classic MMOs, but classic MMOs are dying breed. Players expect more life like experience, not sheer numbers on screen and when it comes to pure gameplay, there are games which are doing much better job at it. Just look at how many people play Dota, LoL and clones... not to mention whole FPS genre which with games like Planetside 2, Dust 514 and new console titles inc in next years are closing the gap between MMOs and FPS.

  2. #602
    Less reason to make tier look good if you can charge real money for better looking gear.

    Spend time making tier look good and less time making items to replace the looks that you have to pay for.

    Seems to me like this is just the start of the real money grubbing that's going to go on. Until the point where wow has 500k subs, you have to pay 20$ a month instead of 15. And everything you can possibly think of is in the store to try and recover the lost funds from all the people who unsubbed...

  3. #603
    Quote Originally Posted by Vishiz View Post
    And everything you can possibly think of is in the store to try and recover the lost funds from all the people who unsubbed...
    That's the thing though. Blizzard hasn't dropped a cent below what they were earning with 12 million players back in WotLK. Instead, they're earning MORE now with 3/4 of the remaining playerbase.

    They know what's going to or what IS shaving off their sub numbers and have planned accordingly what the people that continue to play might be willing to pay extra money for. There's literally ZERO reason for an item to be obtainable from outside the game and there's plenty of ways to KEEP their subs instead of doing what they're doing; but the latter is what happens to be netting them the greater (short term) profit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh View Post
    Wait a minute....you're telling me...that this multi-million dollar corporation, wants to make MORE money? I don't think you know what you're talking about. Profits aren't a driving force for Blizzard!
    Wait a minute, you're telling me, that you enjoy being nickel and dimed? I didn't know people existed who actually enjoyed being charged extra money for something they *should* be getting and used to be getting since they are already paying for it. Like seriously, answer me this, serious question, why would anyone enjoy paying extra for something that they USED to be able to get with their monthly fee? I honestly don't understand the logic behind it, why would anyone want to pay MORE money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempeste View Post
    Wait a minute, you're telling me, that you enjoy being nickel and dimed? I didn't know people existed who actually enjoyed being charged extra money for something they *should* be getting and used to be getting since they are already paying for it. Like seriously, answer me this, serious question, why would anyone enjoy paying extra for something that they USED to be able to get with their monthly fee? I honestly don't understand the logic behind it, why would anyone want to pay MORE money?
    I don't understand why anyone would want to pay more money either. I feel betrayed from subscribing only to have a few items unavailable to me unless I pay again for it.

    We chose to go with the subscription-based model instead of that approach. We've taken the approach that we want players to feel like it's a level playing field once they're in WoW. Outside resources don't play into it -- no gold buying, etc. We take a hard line stance against it. What you get out of microtransactions is kind of the same thing and I think our player base would feel betrayed by it. I think that's something else you have to decide on up-front instead of implementing later.

    --Rob Pardo, Blizzard's Senior Vice President of Game Design (2/20/2008)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmac View Post
    We chose to go with the subscription-based model instead of that approach. We've taken the approach that we want players to feel like it's a level playing field once they're in WoW. Outside resources don't play into it -- no gold buying, etc. We take a hard line stance against it. What you get out of microtransactions is kind of the same thing and I think our player base would feel betrayed by it. I think that's something else you have to decide on up-front instead of implementing later.

    --Rob Pardo, Blizzard's Senior Vice President of Game Design (2/20/2008)
    This quote should be in every major article about WoW mictrotransaction so people would know how Blizzard has changed and that it's not worth investing money into their games anymore.

    Source:
    http://wow.joystiq.com/2008/02/20/gd...pproach-to-mm/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    Some time in AUG
    Guess numbers are between 6.5 to 7M atm.
    Perhaps less, but IMO it's hard to fight with current social MMO market and Mobile Market also. People spend more $ on those F2P games.
    Imo, the best exit in this situation is to cut off sub price a bit and revamp old designers that were in BC (well, I don't talk for everyone, but for me, the design of BC content and items looks the best out of all).
    You can't compare WoW to EVE Online in terms of numbers.

    P.S.: Mobile Gaming Market revenue in China only is 300$ M.
    Last edited by Bloodfire; 2013-07-15 at 11:09 AM.

  8. #608
    Quote Originally Posted by bigmac View Post
    I don't understand why anyone would want to pay more money either. I feel betrayed from subscribing only to have a few items unavailable to me unless I pay again for it.

    We chose to go with the subscription-based model instead of that approach. We've taken the approach that we want players to feel like it's a level playing field once they're in WoW. Outside resources don't play into it -- no gold buying, etc. We take a hard line stance against it. What you get out of microtransactions is kind of the same thing and I think our player base would feel betrayed by it. I think that's something else you have to decide on up-front instead of implementing later.

    --Rob Pardo, Blizzard's Senior Vice President of Game Design (2/20/2008)
    Damn I think you just won the thread.

    No amount of word twisting is going to get their defenders out of this one.

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    When I go to the movies, I pay for the ticket and get free drinks and snacks.

    Oh wait...

  10. #610
    Quote Originally Posted by ACES View Post
    The more resources Blizzard has, the more content they can develop and the better off we are as players.
    You are naive if you think that Blizzard could or would do more for WoW if they had more money at their disposal.

    My guess is that the company is being royally screwed by taxation and needs to compensate.


    Also the sheep in this thread are absolutely disgusting. Consumers like that deserve what's coming for them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    Then the [MMORPG] genre started attracting more players. These players wanted more of a "game" and less of a "world" [...]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutigen View Post
    This quote should be in every major article about WoW mictrotransaction so people would know how Blizzard has changed and that it's not worth investing money into their games anymore.

    Source:
    http://wow.joystiq.com/2008/02/20/gd...pproach-to-mm/
    Do you have a link to hard talks when the Store was opened at the first time? I'm pretty sure that rage and whine was about the same as it is atm.

  12. #612
    Quote Originally Posted by ACES View Post

    You pay a monthly fee to be able to log in to your account and play; nothing more, nothing less.
    Also, that's an absolutely absurd suggestion that only exists in the small-letters of the legal crap we have to accept every so often.

    In the real world, nobody expects simple access from a subscription in an MMORPG. And everyone here knows that very well, or they choose to ignore it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    Then the [MMORPG] genre started attracting more players. These players wanted more of a "game" and less of a "world" [...]

  13. #613
    Quote Originally Posted by bigmac View Post
    We chose to go with the subscription-based model instead of that approach. We've taken the approach that we want players to feel like it's a level playing field once they're in WoW. Outside resources don't play into it -- no gold buying, etc. We take a hard line stance against it. What you get out of microtransactions is kind of the same thing and I think our player base would feel betrayed by it. I think that's something else you have to decide on up-front instead of implementing later.

    --Rob Pardo, Blizzard's Senior Vice President of Game Design (2/20/2008)
    I'd like a source before I can sig this.
    I've never been more reluctant to pay for a game I enjoy.
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  14. #614
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfsage View Post
    You are naive if you think that Blizzard could or would do more for WoW if they had more money at their disposal.

    My guess is that the company is being royally screwed by taxation and needs to compensate.


    Also the sheep in this thread are absolutely disgusting. Consumers like that deserve what's coming for them.
    The game is only getting cheaper to run as they develop the tech to develop it further and the initial outlays and investments get paid off and outlive their budgetted lifespans. I think it's much less a matter of their need to find new revenue streams, but more a case of simply selling shit just because they can. Nothing more or less to it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gutigen View Post
    This quote should be in every major article about WoW mictrotransaction so people would know how Blizzard has changed and that it's not worth investing money into their games anymore.

    Source:
    http://wow.joystiq.com/2008/02/20/gd...pproach-to-mm/
    All these things so far are simply an extention of TCG items which were real money transactions, I think the quote from Rob Pardo linked above is rather disingenuous and a case of preaching to the choir, meanwhile he's selling Spectral Tiger mounts over the counter in stores from which people are going on to profiteer for literally hundreds of pounds in real money for them.

    So sure, quote that with this from 2007 next to it.

  15. #615
    Blizzard knows there's a portion of playerbase who will cough up money for every novelty being put into the stores, it's an easy way to make some extra buck with minimal time and resource investment. They do it because they can.

    It's a dubious practice though, at least in the eyes of people who aren't willing to pay extra for ingame items in the subscription based game. Bashiok and the band of merry CM's can spin this around as much as they want with their cute blue posts, the truth is there, it's a simple money grab for extra profit.

  16. #616
    Quote Originally Posted by DrSteveBrule View Post
    I'd like a source before I can sig this.
    I've never been more reluctant to pay for a game I enjoy.
    That quitting day is coming closer and closer.
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/mi...betray-players

  17. #617
    Quote Originally Posted by DrSteveBrule View Post
    I'd like a source before I can sig this.
    I've never been more reluctant to pay for a game I enjoy.
    That quitting day is coming closer and closer.
    http://wow.joystiq.com/2008/02/20/gd...pproach-to-mm/

  18. #618
    Quote Originally Posted by ACES View Post
    Every time Blizzard announces something new for the pet store we see the same threads come up about how a game with a monthly sub fee shouldn't have a microtransaction store. I get really frustrated when I see these posts because some people just don't get it.

    You pay a monthly fee to be able to log in to your account and play; nothing more, nothing less.

    Blizzard is a business and they have to do with that money whatever they feel will be most profitable. This can be anything from developing PvE and PvP content to developing items for the Blizzard store. The purpose of the former is to keep people subscribed to WoW and maybe even bring old people back/new people in. The latter is designed to bring in additional revenue to be able to develop more content.

    The most important thing to realize is that Blizzard will NEVER make Tier Sets or any current content gear available for cash; they are not stupid enough to do that and you can mark my words that it'll never happen.

    The Blizzard store is not a slippery slope, it is a smart business move to bring in more money for the company. The more resources Blizzard has, the more content they can develop and the better off we are as players.
    So we need to realize they are trying to make profit and they never make mistakes so we just have to agree with everything they do and trust them putting our well spend money back into the game to improve it?
    And that bold part is basically you saying everyone should shut up and no one got something to say about this.

    If you are not a "fanboy" then I don't know who is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neanoa View Post

    I unsubbed today, been playing since early 2006 - and this is where I get off. It's the principle and the lack of integrity on Blizzard's side - not the current content.
    You waited until this to unsub? Why didn't you unsub when the Blizzard store first opened? Or when Recruit a Friend came out? Or Scroll of Resurrection?

  20. #620
    Quote Originally Posted by Syran View Post
    Blizzard knows there's a portion of playerbase who will cough up money for every novelty being put into the stores, it's an easy way to make some extra buck with minimal time and resource investment. They do it because they can.

    It's a dubious practice though, at least in the eyes of people who aren't willing to pay extra for ingame items in the subscription based game. Bashiok and the band of merry CM's can spin this around as much as they want with their cute blue posts, the truth is there, it's a simple money grab for extra profit.
    Exactly. And there is no reason to support this at all. Except for the awesome benefit that we can now just buy a pet ingame instead of having to go through all the trouble of opening a webbrowser.

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