View Poll Results: Do you support or oppose the cash shop?

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  1. #201
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    Quote Originally Posted by paralleluniverse View Post

    Also XP bonuses do affect the game. Why not just give them to everyone, instead of just undeserving people with money to spend?
    Just a question: Why are people with money to spend "undeserving". To play devil's advocate...people vote for exclusiveness in games. Now there is sth exclusive...to ppl with money. But I guess people didn't have that in mind?

    XP bonus is given to everyone in the form of rested XP
    XP bonus is given to the ones who do something in game for it in the shape of BoAs that require reputation with your guild and heirlooms

    One might as well argue that people not in guilds get punished here.
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    One cause is a cognitive bias called projection bias. Essentially living inside your own head your entire life makes it exceedingly difficult to understand how others do not also live your same life, think your same thoughts, and hold your same beliefs. In many cases it's quite frustrating to try to empathize and understand why you yourself may not be the center of the universe, which generally results in one 'acting out' in various ways.
    So, in short: the internet.

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    Oppose unless they add more payment methods then i wouldn't care, however currently anything added to the store is completely unavailable to me and is deemed an insult in my books :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComputerNerd View Post
    It is a good argument, but people call it bad with no justification.
    It applied equally to pets and mounts.
    If it is cosmetic, or having no impact on the gameplay of other players then it is simple.
    You choose to buy it or not.



    So you decide that everyone should shoulder the cost rather than just those who choose to ?
    Talk about arrogant.
    You assume that everyone isn't already "shoulder[ing] the cost". Everyone already pays a sub for this game. The things they are selling on the store have been funded by subscriptions already. They are charging for what is essentially, already paid for. It's sleazy.

    And yes, better that everyone equally pays more to maintain equality of access and fairness.

    Even if they sell epics, it's still a choice to buy it. Sure, you may be more inclined. But it's still a choice. So that argument is a bad one. Select a better argument.

  4. #204
    I don't suppose I care either way, given that it's purely cosmetic stuff. But it's the principle behind it that I can't stand. I think it's incredibly greedy how they have so many premium things, milking their customers at every turn. A game should either charge for expansions, transfers and whatnot while not having a subscription, or the subscription should cover all of that stuff. It's angering that they're able to be so greedy, but it is what it is. Ignoring the principle though, I don't care if these relatively useless things can be purchased. If people want to throw more money at them for stuff that doesn't help them, that's their business.

  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Just a question: Why are people with money to spend "undeserving". To play devil's advocate...people vote for exclusiveness in games. Now there is sth exclusive...to ppl with money. But I guess people didn't have that in mind?

    XP bonus is given to everyone in the form of rested XP
    XP bonus is given to the ones who do something in game for it in the shape of BoAs that require reputation with your guild and heirlooms

    One might as well argue that people not in guilds get punished here.
    But this is an XP bonus on top of those XP bonuses you talk about. So you haven't made an apples to apples comparison, as this extra XP bonus is not otherwise available.

    It's undeserved as you haven't achieved anything in the game to deserve the bonus of having an extra XP bonus more so than those who don't get this XP bonus. How is it fair to those who don't get this XP bonus? You get it because you've got money to spend. That's how the real world works. It's not how a game, especially one built on player accomplishment, and originally built on fairness and equality of access, should work. You haven't done anything within the game to deserve an in-game bonus.

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    There is no limit to cosmetic microtransactions: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...ntpage=80#1596

  6. #206
    for me it's the same conversation when they introduce vanity pet shop and vanity pet mount in Blizzard store

    People don't care anymore if you have the Ragnaros pet or the celestial steed

    It will pass, people are not going to talk about the new stuff in 2 or 3 weeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by paralleluniverse View Post
    Also XP bonuses do affect the game.
    XP bonuses can potentially affect the game (in a negative way). But only if they are available early on during a new expansion where the race is on to reach level cap.

    An XP bonus at this stage of the expansion has a negligible impact on the game. The function of this feature is to make the game experience more fun for the following people:

    1) People coming back to the game after a long absence who want to catch up to their friends so that they can participate in end game content.
    2) People who want to switch toons for endgame content.
    3) People who want to level up the alts and basically just want to do it quickly.

    It's a catch up mechanism plain a simple. It doesn't give anyone a competitive advantage. Importantly there is no reason why anyone would have to use this service in order to stay near the front of the pack.

    Quote Originally Posted by paralleluniverse View Post
    Why not just give them to everyone, instead of just undeserving people with money to spend?
    Because not everyone wants them. WoW has over 7 million players. That is a truckload. While there are a lot of people who either want a faster levelling experience, or are ambivalent about it, there are probably millions who would rather keep the current pace, and some who would prefer it to be even slower.

    The bottom line is that WoW levelling is intended to be experienced at a fairly leisurely pace. But if some people really want to skip through it, they now have that option. By making it a paid service though, most people will likely elect to stick at a normal pace which is probably better for the game as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paralleluniverse View Post
    You get it because you've got money to spend. That's how the real world works. It's not how a game, especially one built on player accomplishment, and originally built on fairness and equality of access, should work.
    Unfortunately (?) we are part of the real world, Blizzard is part of the real world and their real world is being part of probably THE single most capitalistic country in the world. So whatever we think "should" or "should not" happen in the game we can ofc freely communicate and urge them not to go that way. The decision however is ultimately theirs.

    If that decision leads to the ruin of the company and 7.7 million people unsubbing - I guess we all will cry a little, but we will find s.th else to keep us occupied, right?
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    One cause is a cognitive bias called projection bias. Essentially living inside your own head your entire life makes it exceedingly difficult to understand how others do not also live your same life, think your same thoughts, and hold your same beliefs. In many cases it's quite frustrating to try to empathize and understand why you yourself may not be the center of the universe, which generally results in one 'acting out' in various ways.
    So, in short: the internet.

  9. #209
    I find it puzzling that people can't grasp that many players consider cosmetic items at least as important as stats, if not moreso.

    Stats are numbers. Cosmetics are joy.
    Stat items are disposable, cosmetic items will be kept always.

    What we have here is scores of people insulting others because they like cosmetics and don't believe you should pay extra for them. It's no suprise that most people attacking those who oppose the cash shop make the argument that cosmetics don't matter, therefore it's ok... well it obviously it matters to them! Just because you don't care about it doesn't mean it doesn't matter.

  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by Raelbo View Post
    XP bonuses can potentially affect the game (in a negative way). But only if they are available early on during a new expansion where the race is on to reach level cap.

    An XP bonus at this stage of the expansion has a negligible impact on the game. The function of this feature is to make the game experience more fun for the following people:

    1) People coming back to the game after a long absence who want to catch up to their friends so that they can participate in end game content.
    2) People who want to switch toons for endgame content.
    3) People who want to level up the alts and basically just want to do it quickly.

    It's a catch up mechanism plain a simple. It doesn't give anyone a competitive advantage. Importantly there is no reason why anyone would have to use this service in order to stay near the front of the pack.



    Because not everyone wants them. WoW has over 7 million players. That is a truckload. While there are a lot of people who either want a faster levelling experience, or are ambivalent about it, there are probably millions who would rather keep the current pace, and some who would prefer it to be even slower.

    The bottom line is that WoW levelling is intended to be experienced at a fairly leisurely pace. But if some people really want to skip through it, they now have that option. By making it a paid service though, most people will likely elect to stick at a normal pace which is probably better for the game as a whole.
    That's a completely and utterly bullshit reason. If that's what they truly wanted, why not give it to everyone?

    Why not let EVERYONE catch-up with their friends?

    What? Only rich people deserve to catch-up to their friends? Yeah that's what I thought.

    Not everyone wants it? Then make it an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Netherspark View Post
    I find it puzzling that people can't grasp that many players consider cosmetic items at least as important as stats, if not moreso.

    Stats are numbers. Cosmetics are joy.
    Stat items are disposable, cosmetic items will be kept always.

    What we have here is scores of people insulting others because they like cosmetics and don't believe you should pay extra for them. It's no suprise that most people attacking those who oppose the cash shop make the argument that cosmetics don't matter, therefore it's ok... well it obviously it matters to them! Just because you don't care about it doesn't mean it doesn't matter.
    Indeed.

    Of course it matters.

    If it doesn't matter, why does challenge mode offer cosmetic gear only?

    If it doesn't matter, why is the most valuable item off Arthas, the Invincible mount?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Netherspark View Post
    What we have here is scores of people insulting others because they like cosmetics and don't believe you should pay extra for them.
    Let's be honest here: There are tens of thousands of items in the game, all of which can be considered "cosmetic" - hence the idea of transmogrification. None of them require you to pay extra, however not all of them are obtainable by everyone.

    The fact is that a lot of items are out of reach of many players for a variety of different reasons. Having three items with a slightly different accessability model is hardly something to start getting up in arms about.

    While current tier heroic raiding gear is obtainable by only a tiny fraction of the playerbase, at least these cash shop items can be obtained by anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paralleluniverse View Post
    That's a completely and utterly bullshit reason.
    And you sir, are being argumentive without any substance to back it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paralleluniverse View Post
    If that's what they truly wanted, why not give it to everyone?

    Why not let EVERYONE catch-up with their friends?

    What? Only rich people deserve to catch-up to their friends? Yeah that's what I thought.

    Not everyone wants it? Then make it an option.
    Oh quit whining about what other people are getting. It doesn't affect you.

    If someone else feels strongly enough about levelling their toons faster that they are prepared to spend their money on it, good for them. Good for Blizzard. Good for the game. If that sends other people into a jealous rage, that's not the fault of Blizzard....

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    Quote Originally Posted by paralleluniverse View Post
    If it doesn't matter, why does challenge mode offer cosmetic gear only?
    If it doesn't matter, why is the most valuable item off Arthas, the Invincible mount?
    So what, you'd prefer the helms get gated behind content accessible to only 1% of the playerbase? Or maybe behind a ten year grind?

    The whole point of these items is that ANYONE can get them if they really want it (and you cannot argue affordability - if someone wants it that badly, they can unsub for a month to pay for it). You no more "need" these items than you need challenge mode gear or Invincible, so arguing that it "needs" to be free is nonsensical.

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    I only oppose anything that would give an advantage in game play ie: a legendary sword as compared to say the cosmetic helms.

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