But will frost still go haste or maybe mastery build will be optimal now?
Seems what it is not buff in pve(more nerf). But huge nerf in pvp.
i guess the least played class needed the mastery rework ...... oh wait wrong forum
the ultimate answer's to all rogue issues in MoP:
-Reroll another class, who wants rougue's anyway.
-Diablo 3 Sold 15 Million Copys
-Haste will fix it
-Rogue's are fine
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Since FFB will still hit the hardest.
1) Put up 3 living bombs
2) Fish for 5 FFB procs
3) Deep+orb+unload icelances(+icicles)
The problem is, the wording of the mastery. If the icicles take literally forever to unload that would be stupid. If you can't unload all 5 in a single deep(which means they should make IL gcd trigger 0.5 or remove it) then frost is still dogshit. It won't matter at what skill level you are - living bomb and fishing for procs is all there is to it, because you won't be casting any frostbolts vs any semi-decent team.
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One LB will proc just as many BFs as three. You should read tooltips more o_O;
There's no point to getting huge Icicles. This isn't meant to buff Frost to a competitive level but rather to give us an easier-to-tweak Mastery. It's passive damage with a pretty effect.
Seems like a single-target buff in damage from the feeling
I think this looks like it could be an interesting change. I hope the Icicles get some cool animations.
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Some bugs currently on it. Regarding not firing, they won't fire at targets with 1 health, so non-boss dummies are out of the question.
Alter time does not currently interact with them, although it should.
Glyph of IV isn't interacting properly yet.
Intended but awesome functionality: firing continually if you keep generating them. My record so far has been 28 off one ice lance.
Well I mean, from a visual standpoint and just as "OH SHIT WILL I RUN OUT BEFORE MY NEXT FOF?" It's amusing to watch, a lot more so than most of our mechanics.
here are some pictures. I'm kind of new to posting on MMO champ so I'm not sure if names are allowed in the screenshots or not. Just remove them if they dont comply with the ToS.
I'm at 35% haste self buffed here and the icicles are firing really slowly. I feel like they need to move faster. It doesnt feel hastey at all, it makes everything feel slow.
Here is a 3 minute session on the dummies just doing my rotation not going hard out or anything special just doing the rotation.
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They seem to pick up around 45% or so. When my meta procced, it was pretty cool to watch the ice everywhere. Something I've really enjoyed is their acceleration. Starting from a standstill and speeding up to max speed at about half way to target is a really nice effect.
Gonna use RoP since im used to it the most
Then gonna test with t16 gear, arcane and frost.
Gonna do a re-test....but very interesting results.
With frost spec, mastery gear + frost armor I got 32.5m dmg in 204 seconds HOWEVER I used lust.
With arcane in 197 seconds only 30.5m...Granted I didn't use lust...going to this time. I used lust after alter time by mistake with frost. so gonna do that again, alter time after.
In a re-test with arcane I was at 31.5m in 216 seconds with lust...Keep in mind for some reason my mana was not regenerating as fast in raids, well I know why but yeah. I had lower mana than normally. So that hurt my dps for sure.
Not perfect test, but if anything i'd say frost is pretty close to arcane, with my mastery and frost armour on. Gonna try with t16 2 and 4 set now, and the new trinkets.
With lust at the start as arcane I did 42.77m dmg over 195 seconds. Now I had the amp trinket proc twice and the tooshoolays proc once...and never simotaineously. I am using 4/5 set t16 and the 2 new trinkets. However definitely a huge jump in dmg with those alone. Also keep in mind I don't quite have the rotation with the 2 and 4 set quite down yet....that's a work in progress. But it's a rough idea.
Gonna do a frost one once TW debuff goes away.
Keep in mind this data really isn't amazingly useful, too many factors messing it up.
Also, using a part haste part mastery build for frost..not sure whats more viable full frost or mastery or a combo of both...Too many factors. This just is giving me a rough idea. lots of factors.
Okay frost test, MUCH bigger burst, I think it was because both trinkets proc'd at once..Amp procc'ed twice total and so did the other one. So arcanes burst a little lack luster due to only one trinket proc, and had 1 less total proc of the tooshoolays however.
In 197 seconds I had 45m dmg.
Blah forgot to do my shoulder enchant for both tests...oh well lol
So this data isn't super useful because of multiple factors, I think arcane still pulls head, but right now in frost in t16 I have 41.73% mastery and 24.31% haste. I have more mastery in t15 gear lol. 24.61% crit. Idk I didn't get the burst i've seen on the ptr..but it's only a few tests so.
Highest icicle was 397k xD.....
I am thinking mastery > haste because of the two new trinkets are going to give SUPER high dmging hits, yes haste would give you more...but mastery lets you take that SUPER high dmg, take a chunk of it and fling it at the opponent again. I think it has to be some sort of balance of the two...not sure Q_Q.
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