Difficulty from a Casual Perspective

**Socialhealer** · 2013-07-23, 05:02 PM

sounds like flex raiding is made for you, LFR too dull, normal too hard....need something in between? blizz will be catering for you in 5.4

**Vankrys** · 2013-07-23, 05:03 PM

there is nothing wrong with normal or even easy difficulty, i'm willing to bet the majority of wow player, from heroic raider to LFR casual would agree. it is ok to have difficulty level that fit all type of player, however

- some exclusivity (item, title, mount, even a freaking glow) for the player that attempt the hardest content. recoloring sets and up the stats is not enough, i see nothing wrong with looking at someone and saying, this guys is a heroic raider, badassery shining from his weapon and armor. For example, it took some dedication, several month to finally down the LK 25 HM, finally get the light of dawn title. Title should have been removed with cata as a gesture for player that give time and dedcation to reach it at level 70. Don't throw the "beautiful snowflake" arguments, in a virtual world where everyone looks the same, players find individuality and uniqueness where they can

- don't nerf content. If there are multiple difficulty level, why nerf content, it makes no sense. People practice on a lower difficulty then test their newly acquired skill at a higher difficult setting. If you nerf content, it just throw away any balance, you didn't give a chance to player to test their skill.

- sometimes games don't show you the true ending if you didn't complete it a certain level of difficulty. this should be the case in wow. At least two boss per tier should only accessible at normal difficulty, not LFR and at least one boss per tier only accessible at heroic difficulty.

- good risk/reward balance. don't give previous tier item for heroic dungeon currency (like in cata, i heard they modified inmop, i'll make the argument anyway). The reward should match the difficulty to obtain it. if you want dungeon to offer previous tier (or equivalent in ilevel) item, create a new diffculty level that justify this drop or purchase.

the idea is that the player should feel rewarded for his efforts. That will encourage him to continue his efforts (and stay subscribe). The player shold feel he is in a coherent world. In a coherent world, you don't wait for enemy to be nerfed in order to attack them. You practice.

do you think goku would wait for freeza to be nerfed to rush to fight? (that's the geeky reference of the day).

**madokbro** · 2013-07-23, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Socialhealer

sounds like flex raiding is made for you, LFR too dull, normal too hard....need something in between? blizz will be catering for you in 5.4

Yup, that's the plan!

**HeedmySpeed** · 2013-07-23, 05:14 PM

There needs to be a necessity to improve your game, it can't be optional because you know how guided human behaviour is when it comes to convenience.

So while you think offering multiple difficulties still retains that "necessity" in the harder modes, you're wrong.
You've opened the option to everyone to settle for the easiest path.
It's hard for many people to fight against convenience and laziness.

That's why LFR has less meaning, less accomplishment. I'm not saying you "can't" feel accomplishment but in LFR it'd feel more like the accomplishment of making a sandwich. It's not much and isn't the stuff that makes you want to keep playing especially when you don't feel compelled to continue improving (which is another problem of LFR and the rewards for harder modes).

**Ronduwil** · 2013-07-23, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by madokbro

"dedication" should be given to something worthy of of it. Not killing dragons, that should stay in the "yaaay I'm killing dragons and it's crazy fun" part. At least for me and people like me.

This is the concept that many people on this forum fail to grasp. Those hours spent optimizing rotations that will change every couple of patches, researching fights that are going to be obsolete in three months, and looking for other fanboys who are willing to show the same "dedication" as you are better spent engaging in homework, household chores, and/or gainful employment. There is a line between diversion and job, and raiding is currently way too far on the wrong side of it. "Casual" players would rather dedicate their time and energy to working hard than to playing hard. That's not being lazy. In fact, by most people's definition it's called being productive.

**bclumas** · 2013-07-23, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Ronduwil

This is the concept that many people on this forum fail to grasp. Those hours spent optimizing rotations that will change every couple of patches, researching fights that are going to be obsolete in three months, and looking for other fanboys who are willing to show the same "dedication" as you are better spent engaging in homework, household chores, and/or gainful employment. There is a line between diversion and job, and raiding is currently way too far on the wrong side of it. "Casual" players would rather dedicate their time and energy to working hard than to playing hard. That's not being lazy. In fact, by most people's definition it's called being productive.

Who says this? I know plenty of casual players who are online for 10 or more hours every single day doing things like pet battles, Tillers farm, farming materials, leveling alts, and running through LFR. Other players, like myself, log on for raid night and clear 13/13 heroic bosses in a single night and spend the rest of the week logging on casually. During progression raiding? No more than 16 hours per week was spent online attempting bosses. Also please note that I am a doctor and take care of sick people in the hospital 60 or more hours per week. Yet, I still find time to take care of my real life responsibilities. Your lines are nothing but dribble and worthless. Just because your perception of how hardcore raiding works doesn't mean that those who dedicate more time to raiding are, in some way, neglecting other responsibilities of their real lives. Get a clue.

Continuing on topic, I think it's been said countless times: if you find normal raiding too difficult and demanding, then it isn't for you. Your post does come across as complaining, however I will take you at your word when you say you're trying to be honest. Although, I must confess that most people do not really care why you play. You play because you play. Congratulations. Just like you do not care to see through the eyes of those who achieve differently than you, they probably do not care to do the same for you. You have a shoe and it fits. I'm not interested in trying it on.

**NeverStop** · 2013-07-23, 05:41 PM

13/13 H melee DPS here. I only have 30 keybinds. Keybinding is not hard.

**Boogar** · 2013-07-23, 05:54 PM

Bad players are easily being carried by people who take even LFR seriously because of how easy LFR is, when those players are gonna move to flex (because of higher item level, they wont need to run LFR after a couple of weeks) you whiny folk are gonna have a hard time in LFR...

When i still see hunters on top of the meters on Horridon with 99% dmg done to him my eyeballz start bleeding, those players are gonna get immediately kicked from the flex groups.

**Etrigan** · 2013-07-23, 05:59 PM

This is the kind of players your "Accessibility" breeds Blizzard!

**Ronduwil** · 2013-07-23, 06:34 PM