HELP!!! need a new PC for Blade and Soul and Battlefield 4

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Hi Guys

I'm not really good with pc and I've been doing a bit of research and asking some friends, I currently have £3000 for a 2560x1600 resolution gaming including all peripherals. I am going to use this PC for everything really aside from gaming, also Should I wake for the new intel 6 core cpu; One last question to you tech guys my friend told me that an EVGA gtx 770 classified 4gb ACX is better than a gtx Titan; I totally disagree with him but please feel free to prove me wrong.





Thanks in advance

[chazus]

First, I'd suggest filling out the info from the build sticky.

Second, the Titan is by far a better card than a 770. By a fairly significant bit (In BF3 @ 1600p, 770 gets 40fps, Titan gets 65fps). The 780 is effectively a titan (But with less memory) but $350 cheaper. I'm not sure which 6-core CPU you're referring to, unless you're referring to the Ivy Bridge-E, which would definitely not be a worthwhile purchase.

[Deleted]

Here you go chazus, my friend was telling me its not the normal gtx 770 its EVGA gtx 770 classified 4gb ACX; my friend intensively keep nagging me to buy this.

Budget:£3000
Resolution:2560x1600
Games / Settings Desired: Blade&Soul,BF4 and upcoming games,at full max resolution 60 fps+ and not going down when theres a lot players on the screen.
Any other intensive software or special things you do (Frequent video encoding, 3D modeling, etc):Yes, I am looking to use this pc for video editing for youtube videos
Country:United Kingdom
Parts that can be reused: None
Do you need an OS?:Maybe thinking of buying windows 8
Do you need peripherals (e.g. monitor, mouse, keyboard, speakers, etc)?: Need all except speakers

[chazus]

I believe the "ACX" is just the cooler it uses. Using a nicer 2 fan solution over the standard EVGA 1 fan. People usually avoided EVGA due to it's 1 fan style, so the "ACX" versions actually give a reason to get EVGA.

That said, Titan still trounces the 770. I'd recommend, if anything, getting a 780 or two.

[slasher0161]

I'll post up a build in a few minutes, caffeine is calling my name. At that kind of budget either you will have a metric ton of your budget left over or you are watercooling and overclocking this thing to the point you can tell them not to waste time with warranty paperwork when they mail your parts. (that last bit is a joke just for reference because I know somebody will read just that and give a 4000 page lecture about how stupid that is... you get the point).


Alrighty this is basicly the starting point you are looking at (ideally 780 sli would fit in to the budget but I can't see it happening without dropping back to 1080p which defeats the purpose of it in the first place...)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£258.00 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte G1.Sniper M5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£179.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£89.20 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial M4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£126.54 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£62.39 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card (£543.85 @ Aria PC)
Case: Corsair 350D Window MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£92.99 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£115.02 @ Scan.co.uk)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) (£69.59 @ Aria PC)
Monitor: Dell U2713H 60Hz 27.0" Monitor (£494.95 @ Amazon UK)
Keyboard: Filco Majestouch-2 Wired Standard Keyboard (£114.00 @ Amazon UK)
Mouse: Corsair Vengeance M60 Wired Laser Mouse (£58.06 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £2204.18
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-04 06:21 BST+0100)

Leaving 800 quid for custom loop which is more than enough. The keyboard and mouse are place holders, the mouse I would recommend the keyboard is something you will have to play with as while I think cherry mx browns are a great switch you might hate them and prefer blues.
Also i'll take a look on good old ebay because from memory you can get 1440p monitors for about 300usd on there which even after shipping + vat will be cheaper.
Personal recommendation would be to set the loop up with distilled water only and get coloured tubing but that is entirely up to yourself. Also bay res+pump combo's are alright but the aesthetics of a nice stand alone res with a d5 pump hidden out of sight (or cleverly stealthed into the build) is hard to beat. For rad fans noctua NF-F12's are awesome but wouldn't suit the colour scheme so either hiding them out of sight or some gentle typhoons (or corsair sp120's quiet edition) are another good option with better overall aesthetics. I wouldn't go stepping up to socket 2011 personally the small performance gain* won't be worth it unless ivy-e is stupidly amazing (I can't see it being that great) also then you will have to go back to a more normal cooling solution and the overclock headroom you will lose will probably give you less overall performance (the difference in rending time is irrelevant if your using your gpu for hardware acceleration unless your producing tens of hours of footage a week).

If you aren't prepared to void warranties and set up custom loop cooling as well as overclock the hell out of your chip I can't see your expectations being reasonable and your better off building a fairly standard i5-4670k build with a different gpu (cooler) and then upgrading as you feel it falls behind, to achieve your goals you are going to need some enthusiast attitude (or cheat and drop back to 1080p).

Also the 770 ACX is not even close to a titan, the titan is a pro-sumer card. It isn't just meant for gaming it is also at its heart a compute card with double point precision, the fact it games well is just a bonus however it is not worth it unless you intend to use its compute power (or run such a high resolution you need the 6gb vram).

[Gorehowl]

get an intel 4770k instead of waiting for their new ivy bridge-e processors, core count does not matter in 99.999999% of games. You want to look for architectural improvements, not the amount of cores a cpu has.

and the titan beats a 770 in every way possible even if the 770 was overclocked to its death bed.

[slasher0161]

get an intel 4770k instead of waiting for their new ivy bridge-e processors, core count does not matter in 99.999999% of games. You want to look for architectural improvements, not the amount of cores a cpu has.

and the titan beats a 770 in every way possible even if the 770 was overclocked to its death bed.

Pretty much this.

I can only think of one situation where a 770 could beat a titan or rather beat 4 and that would be in a terrible airflow case with an overclocked to the teeth fx-8350 on an air cooler with the direction of air flow aimed directly at the stock heatsink titan array which would all have to be tightly packed... Even still the 770 would need either 10c ambients with a massive wc loop or more likely at least dry ice cooling + amazing silicon lottery and to have so much voltage pushed through it the cables are almost melting.

The combination of horrible drivers for titan (especially at a 4way sli level) + downclocking due to heat + Overkill cooling on the 770 would tip the scales in favour of the 770 (artificial benchmarks the titans would still win unless they melted midway through and failed to register a score.

*note* I'm on to my 8th cup of coffee for the day and had that random tangent thought so I figured I would share it, anyone want to place bets how long till someone comes along cherry picks a small section of that ramble and then argue I claimed a 770 will beat a titan all the time?

I don't think I can help the OP anymore until we know where he stands on what his goals are more specifically and how much of an enthusiast he is willing to be (I won't even bother suggesting parts for a custom loop because while I could spit out a list its pointless if he doesn't research it himself and understand why.

[Deleted]

Alrighty this is basicly the starting point you are looking at (ideally 780 sli would fit in to the budget but I can't see it happening without dropping back to 1080p which defeats the purpose of it in the first place...)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£258.00 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte G1.Sniper M5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£179.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£89.20 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial M4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£126.54 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£62.39 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card (£543.85 @ Aria PC)
Case: Corsair 350D Window MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£92.99 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£115.02 @ Scan.co.uk)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) (£69.59 @ Aria PC)
Monitor: Dell U2713H 60Hz 27.0" Monitor (£494.95 @ Amazon UK)
Keyboard: Filco Majestouch-2 Wired Standard Keyboard (£114.00 @ Amazon UK)
Mouse: Corsair Vengeance M60 Wired Laser Mouse (£58.06 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £2204.18
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-04 06:21 BST+0100)

I would get the 2713HM. I doubt you will need the 2713H, but you figure out foor yourself if you need the features of the 2713H

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2713h.htm

And I would probably opt for a gigabyte 780, but thats personal preference.
Another option would be 770 in SLI. Those will/should destroy a 780 even on 1600p.

Also something im just noticing, why a micro atx build??

[slasher0161]

I would get the 2713HM. I doubt you will need the 2713H, but you figure out foor yourself if you need the features of the 2713H

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2713h.htm

And I would probably opt for a gigabyte 780, but thats personal preference.
Another option would be 770 in SLI. Those will/should destroy a 780 even on 1600p.

Also something im just noticing, why a micro atx build??

780 is EVGA for a custom loop, micro atx was the choice because it has the best watercooling case that is budget friendly and aesthetically pleasing, the g1 sniper also has the added bonus of good onboard sound saving the need for a sound card. The monitor was chosen because i'm apparently blind and didn't see the HM on pc part picker.

This is all assuming the OP firstly will custom loop and seondly will overclock like an enthusiast otherwise as I said above they may as well get a standard run of the mill i5 + high end gpu set up and save the rest of the budget for upgrading when they feel it isn't cutting the mustard.

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Found the monitor I was talking about.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/27-X-STAR-DP2710-LED-Matte-Screen-2560x1440-QHD-PLS-Panel-Monitor-DVI-D-/261185339043?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item3ccfdbfea3

There is some risks associated with them but for the reduction in cost its a perfectly justified option

[Deleted]

I just made a ATX build with the new dell 3014 (Im not sure if the OP already has the screen or still needs it).

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£258.00 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£90.30 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£153.57 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£89.20 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£130.00 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£48.12 @ Scan.co.uk)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) (£318.50 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) (£318.50 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Corsair 500R Black ATX Mid Tower Case (£94.20 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 760W 80 PLUS Platinum Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£147.31 @ Scan.co.uk)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£12.99 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) (£69.59 @ Aria PC)
Monitor: Dell U3014 60Hz 30.0" Monitor (£923.99 @ Aria PC)
Total: £2654.27
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-04 10:09 BST+0100)

SLI 770, because it has better performance than a 780 for only 75 pounds more.
Put the i7 in there because the budget allows it.
Do keep in mind that the screen alone is 1000 pounds. You could also go for a 1440p screen (the 2713HM), which would save about 500 pounds.

[slasher0161]

My problem with the 770 is the 2gb vram, its very possible to exceed 2gb vram @1440p, 1600p would do it no sweat.

[Deleted]

For case choice I'd take a look at the Corsair Air 540 as well. Review

I also thought he wanted 1600p not 1440p, those are £8-900?

Dell U3011 || Review
Dell U3014 || Review and comparison of the two at the bottom

I'd swap the PSU to something better and fully modular:

XFX ProSeries 750W 80 PLUS Gold || Review

Changing to an ATX sized case I'd also swap to a different motherboard. I'd go with either of these, check for features you might want/need etc.

Asus Maximus VI Hero || Review
MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming || Review
Asus Z87-PRO || Review

If you're not comfortable with setting up a custom loop for cooling or simply don't want to pay the premium then I'd pick one of these:

Corsair H100i + custom fans

Phanteks PH-TC14PE comes in different colors

Be Quiet DARK ROCK PRO 2 quieter option

Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme || Review

If you go with air cooling then look for low profile RAM, otherwise any RAM will do.

Crucial M4 256GB for the SSD, better than M500 and cheaper at the same.

[slasher0161]

If his goals are set in stone then I wouldn't even bother building until bf4 is released because its impossible to make a call about how well it will perform.

"at full max resolution 60 fps+ and not going down when theres a lot players on the screen." That is the biggest issue I see, the only way I can see achieving that without the game releasing is to extreme overclock. If your chewing the best part of 1/3 the budget on a monitor good luck achieving that.

[Deleted]

My problem with the 770 is the 2gb vram, its very possible to exceed 2gb vram @1440p, 1600p would do it no sweat.

It doesnt apperently

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/M..._Gaming/7.html

It is only 8 fps behind a 780 with reference cooler. Which seems the case in just about every game. It could be due to the high mem clock on those cards, which negates the smaller membus and lower Vram.

I'd swap the PSU to something better and fully modular:

XFX ProSeries 750W 80 PLUS Gold || Review

Im not sure at which build you are aiming at. But the seasonic in my build is fully modular

I did pick the m500 because it was newer, but the m4 is good as well.

[Deleted]

It doesnt apperently

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/M..._Gaming/7.html

It is only 8 fps behind a 780 with reference cooler. Which seems the case in just about every game. It could be due to the high mem clock on those cards, which negates the smaller membus and lower Vram.

I made the mistake and skimped on VRAM when going crossfire (HD5850 1GB). Could easily max out BF3, but the VRAM trashing makes it unplayable in bigger maps at 1920x1200.

SLI'ing two 2GB cards maybe okay today, but when new, demanding games pop out that's not going to be enough.

[Deleted]

It doesnt apperently

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/M..._Gaming/7.html

It is only 8 fps behind a 780 with reference cooler. Which seems the case in just about every game. It could be due to the high mem clock on those cards, which negates the smaller membus and lower Vram.



Im not sure at which build you are aiming at. But the seasonic in my build is fully modular

I did pick the m500 because it was newer, but the m4 is good as well.

Yeah newer isn't always better. As for the PSU I was referring to the TX850M, your build wasn't up when I typed my reply. Excellent PSU for the same price or much less than the Seasonic, The Seasonic unit is obviously really good too it's just how much you want to spend for what you need.

With a budget like that there are a lot of options that's why i didn't make a complete build but rather specific recommendations/changes/options based on what was already posted.

[Deleted]

Hello every one thank you for the great feedback. Whilst reading I can see that in majority of the build; the monitor really cost a lot. and I have been browsing on the net for awhile and I saw this Korean monitor; which as 1600p resolution*CROSSOVER 30Q5 PRO 30inch IPS Q5 Panel Monitor £360* therefore judging from slasher's build by just getting this monitor the price would go down by £2068.23.

therefore I would still have quite a big budget. My main question is would liquid cooling my pc makes a huge difference on performance? if its this is the case I wouldnt mind waiting a month or 2 to raise my budget to £3500 this is just a figure I put as I dont exactly know how to pick liquid cool parts so I dont really know how much to raise the budget, as for me I dont really care much about aesthetics as long as they look alright and brings out outstanding performance during computer task.

[Deleted]

I would advice against a custom water loop. I get the feeling you dont have that much experience with computers. And a custom waterloop isnt that easy to make etc.
If you think you can do it, than go ahead. Otherwise I would just wait, or get a swiftech H220. It is a AIO watercooler for the cpu just as the corsair hydro h100i, but you can extend the H220 with extra stuff such as an extra radiator or your gpu(s).

Also, any particular reason for 1600p and not 1440p? I got a 1440p screen and its 27 inch, and I dont think I would want a 30 inch screen. Plus a 1440p screen is around 500 pounds.

[Deleted]

Well my current monitor is 1080 at 21 inch and I would really want a big screen to be honest and the korean monitor cost £360 that's something that doesn't break the wallet. Zeara would I get a cooler cpu if I go with a water loop rather than going with an AIO as such as h100i, because ones I buy this PC it would be like another 5-7 years till I upgrade again. So I am looking for this pc i'm going to build to last long.

[Deleted]

I think a custom loop cools better than an AIO yeah, due to better components and what not.
But it is quite the hassle, and its something you can easily do later down the line. You should check the "post your gaming setup"-tread, there have been some water loop builds in there recently.

Just be sure to get components that fit easy with a water loop, so you should consider a good case and you want a gpu with the reference design. Or be sure that there are blocks for your GPU. EK makes waterblocks for asus and MSI lightning cards, but I would double check that.

And you will probably have to upgrade the gpu in the mean time. The gpu ages the fastest. But that is simple enough to do.

Something else you can also do is get a waterloop set from XSPC or EKWB. They sell complete waterloops for the cpu.

So for cooling of the cpu you have the following options:

1: AIO cooler like corsair H100i, which allows for no expansion
2: AIO cooler like swiftech H220, which allows for expansion
3: Watercooling set from XSPC or EKWB, which should also allow for expansion
4: Complete custom build waterloop, in which you can decide what to cool and so on.

Option are also pretty much listed in what cools the best, altho 1 and 2 are close together and 3 and 4 are also pretty close I think.