HTF Tortos bow vs H Quillen

[siegemaster]

Can someone help me make sense of these 2 weapons: Heroic Thunderforged Shattered Tortoiseshell Longbow vs Heroic Voice of the Quillen. I have ran both FD and AMR, and the change between them is miniscule. Obviously HTF Tortos bow has higher base agility and weapon damage, but Hit/Expertise is thrown at us so often that these end up being either either reforged to the point that I am at 8.49 hit. 8.44 exp or something dramatically over both caps. With Quillen I can sit at just over 8.51hit/7.57 exp + the dwarf racial, and I get to use all that haste for RPPM procs and get the red socket bonus too.

TL; DR heart is telling me to stick with Heroic Quillen, but HTF tortos is too good to not think long and hard about.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...emaster/simple My Armory with Heroic Quillen reforge if it is beneficial.

[Kuul]

As you said, HTF Tortos bow has the higher base dmg & agility, therefore it will be better, not much but still.

Btw, you should reforge haste > crit.

[Tehstool]

Can someone help me make sense of these 2 weapons: Heroic Thunderforged Shattered Tortoiseshell Longbow vs Heroic Voice of the Quillen. I have ran both FD and AMR, and the change between them is miniscule. Obviously HTF Tortos bow has higher base agility and weapon damage, but Hit/Expertise is thrown at us so often that these end up being either either reforged to the point that I am at 8.49 hit. 8.44 exp or something dramatically over both caps. With Quillen I can sit at just over 8.51hit/7.57 exp + the dwarf racial, and I get to use all that haste for RPPM procs and get the red socket bonus too.

TL; DR heart is telling me to stick with Heroic Quillen, but HTF tortos is too good to not think long and hard about.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...emaster/simple My Armory with Heroic Quillen reforge if it is beneficial.

Are you reforging for haste or crit?

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Anyway, using voice of the quilen would actually give you more agility than the tortos bow. You can be barely over the hit and expertise cap with that and with the tortos bow you'd be wasting <2% of hit/exp which is ~680 stats. The tortos bow should be a little better even with all that loss.

[Deleted]

Hey guys,

I've been in this situation for about a month or so as well (got HcTF bow then gun) and I'm 90% sure that Voice will be best for me since it puts me at 7.57/9.06 (yay for troll racial) hit/exp. The bow will put me at a bare minimum of 7.79/11.41 hit/exp.

Armory

Would like a conformation if thoughts are correct.

Thanks

[Tehterokkar]

Heroic-TF Tortos bow is better than Heroic Quilen for me at least(by about 2.5k). Got the HC-TF Tortos bow and seen HC Quilen drop a few times, but the extra wep dmg wins out in the end.

[Effinhunter]

In same situation. Can't use the HTF Tortos bow, even though it is technically more dps in a 1 vs 1 comparison, because I cannot possibly get rid of the hit and expertise on the bow.

[Tehterokkar]

In same situation. Can't use the HTF Tortos bow, even though it is technically more dps in a 1 vs 1 comparison, because I cannot possibly get rid of the hit and expertise on the bow.

I'm currently at 8.24% Hit and 7.56% Exp with H-TF Tortos Bow, Quilen wouldn't change my situation since I'm far over hit cap, but if I manage to get the DAMN HELM from Council, then it might do...

But I did some "math" with Femaledwarf:

215826 DPS with HC-TF Tortos bow, Heroic Tier Helm, Heroic-TF Horridon Chest
215269 DPS with H-Quilen, Heroic-TF Council Helm, Heroic Tier chest

TL;DR: HC-TF Tortos bow should be the winner for me regardless of getting the final piece to the puzzle(Council helm H-TF).

[Effinhunter]

I'm currently at 8.24% Hit and 7.56% Exp with H-TF Tortos Bow, Quilen wouldn't change my situation since I'm far over hit cap, but if I manage to get the DAMN HELM from Council, then it might do...

But I did some "math" with Femaledwarf:

215826 DPS with HC-TF Tortos bow, Heroic Tier Helm, Heroic-TF Horridon Chest
215269 DPS with H-Quilen, Heroic-TF Council Helm, Heroic Tier chest

TL;DR: HC-TF Tortos bow should be the winner for me regardless of getting the final piece to the puzzle(Council helm H-TF).

The issue for me isn't the hit, it's the expertise. I don't have the backup gear that would make the HTF Tortos bow worth it--even though the base damage is worth ~3.5k dps increase--generally because of HTF Renataki's. If I had a couple of decent sidegrades or downgrades for 2-3 items, I could pull it off, but I haven't been lucky enough to get those.

[Arcanimus]

I'm confused why nobody ever considers Durumu Xbow.

[siegemaster]

I'd imagine most guilds, like mine are not doing heroic Durumu until later in their progression.

[Effinhunter]

Well, it's not like HTF Durumu was on the menu. Like OP, I only have a HTF Tortos. If I manage to snag a HTF Durumu, I'd equip it straight away. It's a great weapon.