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    GW1 spoilers below!

    I'm wondering if a-net is going to use the same white rabbit they've used for so long now with "plot twist, this guy who you've been playing with and think is a good guy is actually a baddy!". It was great in Prophecies but after that it got boring and obvious real fast. I can only hope that they don't do the same thing with Ellen since I'm sick of it.


    There's some inconsistencies with Ellen being the bad one since the AB chief is called "scarlet" I'd assume the appearance to reflect that, "makeover kit" would solve this though.

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    Not sure I agree with you there Mel. I mean in Factions there is no hidden enemy, no real plot twist there. Perhaps in Nightfall there was more of that but it became obvious after that starter island.

    Well at least it isn't like in WoW where any interesting character they make turns insane so you could kill it in a raid.

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    They used that plot twist like 3 times. Anet only made like 5 games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozerjun View Post
    Well at least it isn't like in WoW where any interesting character they make turns insane so you could kill it in a raid.
    Hmmm, completely wrong imo, please elaborate, but pm me so we don't derail the thread in to wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draykorinee View Post
    Hmmm, completely wrong imo, please elaborate, but pm me so we don't derail the thread in to wow.
    I'm not going to get into that, sorry.

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    For all we know they could announce the expansion O.O;

    Quote Originally Posted by Doozerjun View Post
    I'm not going to get into that, sorry.
    Then you shouldn't have brought it up >.>;
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    Only one faction receiving something completely new? Absolutely not going to happen, the QQ is so massive it will break the QQ Pillar in the Elemental Plane of QQ and unleash Kiukiuwing, the Aspect of QQs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurabolt View Post

    Then you shouldn't have brought it up >.>;
    yeah, I really don't care

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    Quote Originally Posted by draykorinee View Post
    Hmmm, completely wrong imo, please elaborate, but pm me so we don't derail the thread in to wow.
    Questioning how anyone can even think for a second that end raid bosses weren't at some point interesting characters that they felt the need to throw the insane stick up their ass just to make us fight them rather than working more on their character to show us exactly why we should fight them. Lore wasn't exactly shown nearly as well as it could have been to show us the exact reason we had to fight some of these high profile bosses.

    Now to get things more on topic GW could have used some of this for some of it's more "interesting" characters(Trahearne comes to mind). We had a reason to kill the dragons and it showed for Zhaitan during the story, however outside of the living story there could have been some form of deceit from a built up character just to get away from the whole terrible character showing up in everyones story at some point and taking over when the player character was turning out to be a much better leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozerjun View Post
    Not sure I agree with you there Mel. I mean in Factions there is no hidden enemy, no real plot twist there. Perhaps in Nightfall there was more of that but it became obvious after that starter island.

    Well at least it isn't like in WoW where any interesting character they make turns insane so you could kill it in a raid.
    Arthas and Illidan were crazy long before WoW. The screwed up Hellscream (should have made it about the demonic blood and not about some weird pride ghost), but everyone else that mattered was crazy before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozerjun View Post
    I'm not going to get into that, sorry.
    Ah my mistake, thought you would be able to back up your aspersions dooze (in a pm). Doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waddlez View Post
    Arthas and Illidan were crazy long before WoW. The screwed up Hellscream (should have made it about the demonic blood and not about some weird pride ghost), but everyone else that mattered was crazy before.
    This is why dooze is wrong imo, only arthas springs to mind with the whole non crazy to crazy aspect, everyone else was demons or crazy already. Also the wording, any interesting character goes insane, just paints an unnecessarily derogatory picture of the lore.

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    I can't see Ellen Kiel turning aetherblade. She already hindered them (well we did but she took credit) extensively and shes been with that norn since she was a kid.

    I think the aetherblades create the steam creatures and the facility are leaking portals from the future but I don't think the aetherblades now are from the future like the steam creatures.

    I think the steam creatures run off dragon magic which is what the inquest were researching in CoE


    Quote Originally Posted by draykorinee View Post
    Hmmm, completely wrong imo, please elaborate, but pm me so we don't derail the thread in to wow.
    Arthas, Garrosh, Illidan.... most sub villians before the final boss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zito View Post
    Arthas, Garrosh, Illidan.... most sub villians before the final boss.
    I was more centering on the quote that says any interesting character, i found many interesting characters that havent gone insane. Maybe im jsut being a pedant forget it. Move on, no more wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by draykorinee View Post
    Ah my mistake, thought you would be able to back up your aspersions dooze (in a pm). Doesn't matter.
    yeah I forgot what site I'm on. Anyway, it's just I don't care about it enough to really discuss. I haven't played wow for a couple of years and when I did I wasn't really into the lore. All I remember is that it seemed like they always tried to turn interesting NPC's into a raid boss eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draykorinee View Post
    I was more centering on the quote that says any interesting character, i found many interesting characters that havent gone insane.
    Jaina should have gone insane. If you blew up my town I'd probably send Dalaran crashing down right into Orgrimmar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozerjun View Post
    yeah I forgot what site I'm on. Anyway, it's just I don't care about it enough to really discuss. I haven't played wow for a couple of years and when I did I wasn't really into the lore. All I remember is that it seemed like they always tried to turn interesting NPC's into a raid boss eventually.
    Aye, well, back to anet, apologies, I did just want to keep it in a pm.

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    well sorry I brought it up in the first place. I guess my original point was that I find the lore in the guild wars universe having a lot more continuity than most mmorpgs that I have played.

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    Drop the World of Warcraft lore discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozerjun View Post
    I guess my original point was that I find the lore in the guild wars universe having a lot more continuity than most mmorpgs that I have played.
    I honestly can't think of anything I've ever been interested in that wasn't faulty in this regard. You mentioned MMOs, but long running TV series or even book series suffer from this as well. The former with too many changing writers that don't bother to educate themselves on the show's history and the latter due to authors forgetting their own stuff. :P So, if Anet can be/is the exception that'll be cool.

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    Well not saying they are perfect in that regard, just a bit better than most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zito View Post
    I haven't found a reason to not go berserker.
    Here is a reason:

    http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/...mbit-faceroll/

    Back to the subject on hand. Yes, I would prefer to have more alternatives, and there is for Engineers, the problem is that people will always drift to the highest DPS. The difference between Rabid and Rampager for engineers is about 2% DPS. Guess which one people pick? Hell, they even go for Berserker which is only really relevant if the bosses die exceptionally quickly.

    I would love to see more traits that give damage benefits for other stats to make the other gear more appealing. Would also love to see healing taking on a bit more value in PVE to make it worthwhile to pursue. I just don't see how they can balance fights around the berserker zerg tactics without introducing content that is exclusive to hardcore players and that sort breaks a big part of the casual nature of the game.

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