"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
To obtain better gear which allows you to kill harder bosses, which allow you to obtain better gear which allows you to kill harder bosses, which will allow you to obtain better gear... et cetera
I'm in it for the fun and the lore. It's always fun to know the background story or history behind the pixels you're trying to crush.
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ITT: An OP who doesn't understand that gear isn't nearly as important as having fun by doing the things you like (which, in this case, is killing new bosses while they're relevant).
Oh, also, that gear that becomes irrelevant with the next patch? That gear helps you kill those new bosses so you can replace your old gear. That doesn't sound irrelevant to me.
I am quiet sure, that there is big demographic of raiders who raid purely because of elitism. After raid you can just pretend to be afk in sw/org with that fancy, very exclusive and rare mount you just got from the latest raid.
Why do anything then, as all you do will be eventually replaced, right? Then your life will end, and all that 'progress' will be for nothing. Edit: it isn't just about you, others matter as well.
Now, actually being to the point, the reason why people raid and do these types of things is probably for the personal challenge. I mean, why would people do the hard modes of a game? Personal challenge, and overcoming that challenge, refining your self to be able to complete that, testing one's abilities to the maximum, knowing one's limit, surpassing that limit, attaining one's potential, gain knowledge; however way one wants to call it. These are just personal reasons why (I) some people may want to do hard mode or difficult things in games, including raiding or heroic raiding. On an individual level. And just simply to have fun.
Then there is the multiplayer aspect, which generally comes down to raiding with friends and enjoying the moments you play with your friends, whether they suck at the game or are good at the game. Helping one another surpass their own respective limits, and overcoming obstacles together, as friends. And just simply having fun together.
Gear isn't the sole motivator for raiding; physical rewards are not the sole motivator for doing difficult things in and out of games. People do it because they want to, or they have personal motivations for doing it, not just for rewards.
Last edited by Gattsu125; 2013-08-19 at 06:26 PM.
Fun and lore mostly. If I reached a point where I'd consider raiding a "boring tedious job" I'd stop playing and pick up another game.
Raiding is a culmination of co-op play that defines this genre of game.
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The frustration comes from the impossibility of ever achieving BIS in spite of clearing the available content every single reset for the entire tier.
The point if achieving BIS is to have the best possible start on next tier, unfortunately most classes are being completely overhauled, so the actual "BIS" for entering next tier usually gets changed during the last few weeks before the next tier. Blizzard Entertainment has a habit of making you want to ask for a refund of your time
i like the challenge of working as a team to take down the most dangerous mobs in the game, and the more personal responsibility the better, if there is a unique job on a boss, i will be the one doing it, Kicking turtles? on it, flying to nests? thats me. i also lead my raid guild, so theres also the fun of laying the raids CDs and abilities to tackle the boss, learning each of my members strong points and assigning them to jobs suited for their skills. This is the fun part. i mean dont you ever see a random big scary elite in the world and go.. i bet i can take it, and you waste hours of your day trying to solo something you ought not be able to? i guess thats how i approach raiding, its a big scary boss, and i want it dead. the loot, does not even matter to me, its a means to an end. so it does not bother me that my gear is "reset" which, in and of itself is a silly statement, gear is never reset, its not like you can enter into SoO with crap gear and expect to do well, any gear you get from heroic ToT will just make pushing into SoO easier, so nothing is pointless. hell even with expansions my raid gear lasts me way longer into the starting zones of new expansions, and i have an easier more fun time lvling than my wife, who does not raid, and cant kill shit. so your whole statement is faulty, Gear Never Resets.
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I don't understand LFR, but I do understand Heroic raiding. Some people like myself find enjoyment in the progression of learning and improving. It's fun to adapt oneself to greater and greater challenges, refining your technique along the way. As for gear being reset? It wouldn't be fun without. It's why the Ladder system in D2 was so fun. Characters become too stagnant and powerful over time without resets along the way. Additionally, temporary fun is still fun. Do you go to a movie and complain about the price and length because it will be a "waste of time" after you leave the theater? I imagine the answer to that is no. You put in time and money for a temporary form of enjoyment. Raiding is no different.
The story. The large group fights. Test skills against difficult mechanics. Gear (more so now with transmog). Bigger numbers. A way to fight that isn't against other players. The scenery. The laughs and good times with buddies. BiS is a collectors/completionists game, which is only a small part of raiding. The big boss models. The music.
I might be missing a few things. Plenty of reasons to want to raid. It's only fun if you make it that way, though.
What's the point of buying that shitty used car with 80k miles on it? You're just going to replace it with another car several years from now.
What's the point of getting that low-paying job? You're just going to find a better paying job later.
What's the point of buying that computer? You're just going to buy a better computer five years from now!
What's the point of raiding? You're just going to replace that gear when the next raid comes out.
Here's a hint: The point of raiding isn't the gear.
Car with 80 000 miles is pretty good for old car. Normal numbers for old cars in market places are around 300 000. My car has over 300 000km and still works just fine.
Not saying you are a whiner or anything, I just wanted to clarify to those that STILL have some ludicrous problem with the fact that LFR is in the game.
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What's the point of PVP? They're just gonna replace the gear next season.
What's the point in collecting achievements? They're just gonna add new ones next patch.
What's the point in collecting pets? They're just gonna add new pets next patch.
What's the point of collecting mounts/titles? They're just gonna add new ones next patch.
It's for fun.
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What is the point of anything in this existence other than what you personally make of it? Like money, what is the point beyond basic necessities. You could save up 10 Billion dollars but what will that do when this earth inevitably goes through another natural cleansing and resets life on the planet. You create your own purpose in life and you create your own purpose in the things you do. Some people see very little point in other people's hobbies but to those people those hobbies have a very personal sentimental value.
To answer your question more directly, raiding is something of a ladder and in order to climb up to the next peg you are required to be on the peg directly below it. In terms of raiding at any difficulty you aren't going to maintain your progression in the raiding ladder if you don't complete the available content at your desired skill level. If you want to consistently raid at a Normal level, one must acquire the gear from the current Normal raid in order to be able to participate in the upcoming Normal content upon release, otherwise they will be required catch up.
Some people just enjoy feeling a sense of progression with their actions and raiding is an avenue to that feeling.
For me, it is to kill all the bosses on the hardest difficultly with a bunch of friends. Getting amazing gear just kinda happens along the way.