it will be Thrall!
Garrosh is at 1%
Graysue Magically comes back from being knocked unconscious and gets the killing blow on Garrosh with doomhammer.
He thanks looks at the raid and says thank you heroes but Orc Jesus got's this.
Chirs Metz than retakes the mandle of war chief and the a the alliance army withdraws.
Voljinn says why did they just withdraw mon?
Graysue the Chris metz avatar known as Thrall replies because they know I have plot armor
TLDR;
Still a better love story than twilight
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His response was quoting someone who said they felt Metzen should be out and Trassk says they're ungrateful because Metzen gave them Warcraft to begin with. You don't have to lick the boots of the creator if you feel they've lost sight of what made the franchise beloved to begin with.
I'm just throwing examples, but even at the time of the first invasion, how old were Tyrande, etc? A few hundred years old? The pandaren never left their empire? There was never any interaction between the races considering NE history with furbolgs, etc? You could have had previously unnamed NEs older than our lore figures at the time of the Sundering or even introduced some sort of new stuff.
You take two of the three societies that were around 10-12,000 years ago when there was a single continent and you don't make any lore around that so you can focus wholly on the humans and how they're stronger, wiser, and better than everyone. Sorry, but I'm in agreement with getting away from WoW being focused solely on orcs and humans.
......unless we're going to get some human based badassery re-founding the Silver Hand and having an actual force of knights in the Alliance again. Then I'm totally on board for that.
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Naive at best, completely ignorant at worst. What is that, some sort of clever play on words to suggest either I am uninformed at worst or ... "NAIVE" at best regarding the lore? How exactly am I being naive.
WoW Classic: Fueled by Horde PvP superiority over puny Alliance talks throughout every forum and every server. The conflict in most zones was between the Orcs and the Humans because of a deep rooted hate throughout the first and second wars.
Dark Portal: Hey lets go back to where the ORCS HOMEWORLD WAS, most of the enemies were fel orcs, and a majority of the alliance outposts that were based around conflict was Humans going at the Horde aka the Orcs.
WOTLK: Okay, it was the Undead that did some classy shit and caused a raid of the Undercity, but at the forefront of it at the end was Thrall vs Varian, which Jaina (another human) stopped. The deepest moments for both Horde and Alliance in ICC was between Saurfang and Varian. The TOC was a conflict essentially between Garrosh challenging the Alliance whihc was BASICALLY orcs vs humans.
Cataclysm: GOD IM SO TIRED OF TYPIN THIS SHIT, If you don't think it's orcs vs humans just because it isn't spelled out for you, iono what to tell you.
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Uh yes, physically they are bigger and stronger than any goblin.
Blood elves have no leadership qualities, I don't see why anyone would promote them. Their presence and importance in the Horde's lore is also flimsy.
Goblins are Garrosh ass-kissers they can all go to hell.
Pandaren are generally hypocritical retards.
If this was Warcraft 4, Forsaken would have probably broken off by now, at any rate, they're not gonna be the new leaders.
Vol'Jin actively fought Garrosh, and so did the Tauren. So if it's not Thrall, the leadership will come from these guys.
Personally, I'm caught between Tauren and Trolls. Trolls might produce some Zul'Jin type Horde, which is just way too sexy.
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Alterac Valley, WSG etc all represent Alliance vs Horde in a way which can't constantly be represented in the game through quests and raids, even though they try very hard to with multiple events across patches.
(Patch 5.1, Anduin ALMOST FUCKING DYING TO GARROSH, etc).
It's not about Orcs vs Humans, but it's always about Alliance vs Horde on some level.
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Vol'jin doesn't really have a home capital so relocating for him wouldn't be such a big deal. As for Baine, Blizz could relocate the horde capital to TB with little issue since it's so close to Org (leaving Org the center of horde activity but TB being the capital in name only.) No way would it be Lor'themar coz too many ppl would complain that you can't fly in the new capital ... just more food for thought =)
Umm...it's not clever at all. It's just a pretty matter-of-fact statement. The motivating factors for everything in the Wacraft universe since WC3 hasn't simply been a war between Orcs and Humans. I'm sorry that you can somehow overlook 99% of what we do in these games to believe it's about a war, but umm...ok. I don't know what to tell you at this point.
Somewhat, as in there is always that underlying tension. But how often do we actually fight eachother? Like how many world important events are predicated by that war? Almost zero.
It goes like this:
-Evil thing shows up to destroy all life
-Both sides either alone or together fight it off
-Petty squabbling and land swaps resume.
That's pretty much it. Orcs vs. Humans didn't create a Lich King, didn't make a Deathwing, didn't sunder the world, didn't make the maelstrom, didn't make Ragnaros, most certainly 100% didn't bring the biggest bad of all bads looking for Azeroth. That honor belongs to the Elves.
So please tell me how any rational person could think we've been playing Warcraft: Orcs vs Human 7 this whole time.
BAD WOLF
I think the only acceptable candidates are from the Orcs, Darkspear and Tauren, that seems like a no brainer.
As for all this it has to be an Orc business, I have mixed feelings. While I understand the need for there to always be an Orcish "Warchief", it feels to me at least, that to have another Orcish warchief that is the sole leader of the Horde as we know it so soon after one that has just raised hell would cause too much distrust, yes the orcs should still have a leader, but should his word be the ultimate word of all of the Horde's actions after what we have seen? I don't believe it should.
I agree that the core of the game is Orcs vs Humans, but as time goes on, and more races are added, we're straying further and further from that, more races are joining our factions, and as time goes on there has to hit a point where there are more of those races combined than there are Orcs.
Whoever it is, I can forsee him/her having alot less power than Garrosh had, surely these events have taught us that one person with that much power is not a good idea.
It has to someone obvious because those are the ones who got the build up. I wish Nazgrim could survive the siege. My favorite orc ever.
You do know WC3 had all this stuff too. But the HEART of Warcraft is a huge faction of Humans who dominate the world, fighting against a huge faction of Orcs who are immigrants and occasionally working together to bring down big baddies. But they don't even do it together. They do it in like parallel universes. Who actually killed the LK? Deathwing? A mix of the two? The alliance? The horde? Open to interpretation? The only thing that's confirmed is that humans don't like orcs and orcs dont like humans. Night elves probably don't hate tauren, the tauren probably dont hate the gnomes, hell the goblins dont hate the gnomes...etc.
#boycottchina
There's so much more though.
Night Elves and Ors.
Forsaken and Humans.
Worgen and Humans
Gnomes and Goblins (though more rivalry than outright hate.)
Blood Elves and Draenei
Blood Elves and Humans (See Garithos and purge of dalaran)
There is so much more hate to spread around than just orcs and humans, in fact the main races orcs have been attacking recently to spark this war were night elves, and in twilight highlands dwarves. Humans vs Orcs is way over simplifying it even if every race on one faction doesn't have a personal hatred for EVERY race on the other.
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Don't know how valid it is but I've heard that episodes 4/5/6 were good because many of lucas' bad ideas were kept in check by others, and it would have been vastly different if he had the creative control he had in 1/2/3. That said, take it with a grain of salt as it's only hearsay.