Idea to make Gilneas an actual Alliance zone. (Long)

[Gamevizier]

I find it kinda funny how the votes are stuck on 66 and 33 since I started the thread. )

[Verdugo]

It'd be more fun to see Undercity sacked and forsaken throwing themselves onto pyres like in Sylvanas' vision.

It'd be more fun to see Night Elves being completely helpless damsels waiting to be saved by strong humans.


Wait, that happened, oh...

[Traveler Voltin]

So you want to screw over the horde?

[Gamevizier]

So you want to screw over the horde?

not exactly no but rather return the alliance to northern lordaeron (both gameplay-wise and lore-wise) it's a long read and I don't blame you if you've read it partially but Alliance actually loses in Hillsbrad, only managing to win Southshore and keep Purgation Isle. in the end the aim is to make Alliance control the coastal positions of arathi and hillsbrad, returning the geo-politics of Lordaeron to their vanilla state.

Alliance is not actually fighting the kalimdor horde they are fighting the forsaken, horde has just agreed to sit back and delay reinforcements until Sylvanas is partially weakened and thus the rapid growth that the forsaken had during Garrosh is contained by their Alliance rivals (weakening Alliance itself in the process). it's a win-win situation for both sides.

but the main threat is not Alliance, or Horde. it's the Argus Wake + Azshara who are finally shown to be behind the whole scheme. They are the only factions that benefit greatly from the chaos in Lordaeron because it leaves them unbothered to make preparations for another BL invasion.

[Traveler Voltin]

not exactly no but rather return the alliance to northern lordaeron (both gameplay-wise and lore-wise) it's a long read and I don't blame you if you've read it partially but Alliance actually loses in Hillsbrad, only managing to win Southshore and keep Purgation Isle. in the end the aim is to make Alliance control the coastal positions of arathi and hillsbrad, returning the geo-politics of Lordaeron to their vanilla state.

Alliance is not actually fighting the kalimdor horde they are fighting the forsaken, horde has just agreed to sit back and delay reinforcements until Sylvanas is partially weakened and thus the rapid growth that the forsaken had during Garrosh is contained by their Alliance rivals (weakening Alliance itself in the process). it's a win-win situation for both sides.

but the main threat is not Alliance, or Horde. it's the Argus Wake + Azshara who are finally shown to be behind the whole scheme. They are the only factions that benefit greatly from the chaos in Lordaeron because it leaves them unbothered to make preparations for another BL invasion.

Lordaeron doesnt belong to alliance anymore. So knock it off

[Gamevizier]

Lordaeron doesnt belong to alliance anymore. So knock it off

ooo someone's in a bad mood today :3... it's a suggestion m8. no need to throw a tantrum.


we'll capture Lordaeron eventually. the dead will rot away eventually *rolls eyes*

[Traveler Voltin]

ooo someone's in a bad mood today :3... it's a suggestion m8. no need to throw a tantrum.

Because i am tired if alliance fans trying to get lordaeron back.
Also vol'jin would not delay reinforcements.

[Combatbutler]

not exactly no but rather return the alliance to northern lordaeron (both gameplay-wise and lore-wise) it's a long read and I don't blame you if you've read it partially but Alliance actually loses in Hillsbrad, only managing to win Southshore and keep Purgation Isle. in the end the aim is to make Alliance control the coastal positions of arathi and hillsbrad, returning the geo-politics of Lordaeron to their vanilla state.

Alliance is not actually fighting the kalimdor horde they are fighting the forsaken, horde has just agreed to sit back and delay reinforcements until Sylvanas is partially weakened and thus the rapid growth that the forsaken had during Garrosh is contained by their Alliance rivals (weakening Alliance itself in the process). it's a win-win situation for both sides.

but the main threat is not Alliance, or Horde. it's the Argus Wake + Azshara who are finally shown to be behind the whole scheme. They are the only factions that benefit greatly from the chaos in Lordaeron because it leaves them unbothered to make preparations for another BL invasion.

Retaking Gilneas is fine, but it should stop there, with the Gilneans rebuilding their wall as a bulwark against the north, The Alliance has more than enough problems in their core territories, marching an entirely unnecessary crusade further into former territory makes little sense, that the Alliance tried to retake andorhal in cataclysm was mind blowing enough, despite having no supply route up there, in short the Alliance doesn't need Lordaeron it is for the most part a poisoned piece of trash.

[Gamevizier]

Because i am tired if alliance fans trying to get lordaeron back.
Also vol'jin would not delay reinforcements.

maybe it's because Alliance has lost Dustwallow Marsh, Southshore (Hillsbrad in general), The barrens forces, Western Plaguelands (in a quest chain) and needs to retake "something" back right? the Alliance are currently the boring "good guys" that always "react" to a wrongdoing done by some aggresive force.(mostly horde) Alliance needs to go on the offense more. heck, they should be the aggressors for once.


besides, who said anything about taking Lordaeron back? you didn't even read my reply it seems.

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Retaking Gilneas is fine, but it should stop there, with the Gilneans rebuilding their wall as a bulwark against the north, The Alliance has more than enough problems in their core territories, marching an entirely unnecessary crusade further into former territory makes little sense, that the Alliance tried to retake andorhal in cataclysm was mind blowing enough, despite having no supply route up there, in short the Alliance doesn't need Lordaeron it is for the most part a poisoned piece of trash.

Aerie Peak is their supply route? I mean, in Cata a whole path was added that connects Arathi Basin to Hinterlands.

But making lvl 20 Worgen to go to Wetlands when they hit 20 can also work.

[Combatbutler]

maybe it's because Alliance has lost Dustwallow Marsh, Southshore (Hillsbrad in general), The barrens forces, Western Plaguelands (in a quest chain) and needs to retake "something" back right?


besides, who said anything about taking Lordaeron back? you didn't even read my reply it seems.

Dustwallow will be transformed into a stronghold area for the Alliance similar to the Nethergarde Keep, they also gained Eldre'thalas pushed the horde out of Ashenvale for good.

[mrinvisable2]

Wtb gilneas city as alliance cappital

[Combatbutler]

Aerie Peak is their supply route? I mean, in Cata a whole path was added that connects Arathi Basin to Hinterlands.

But making lvl 20 Worgen to go to Wetlands when they hit 20 can also work.

And Aerie peak isn't isolated as well? The whole endeavour to try to retake Andorhal was foolish and a waste of resources that could have been used to actually fortify something worthwhile, like stromgarde for example, but sending an army to reclaim Andorhal was pure idiocy.

[Gamevizier]

Dustwallow will be transformed into a stronghold area for the Alliance similar to the Nethergarde Keep, they also gained Eldre'thalas pushed the horde out of Ashenvale for good.

you can't give Ashenvale to Alliance entirely, it would break the game. and having another Theramore is meaningless at this point, it was built to shelter the survivors of third war... now they're either dead or fled to other cities. what use would a new Theramore have?

[Combatbutler]

you can't give Ashenvale to Alliance entirely, it would break the game. and having another Theramore is meaningless at this point, it was built to shelter the survivors of third war... now they're either dead or fled to other cities. what use would a new Theramore have?

They have Ashenvale entirely lorewise, Varian intends to build a fort to watch over the ruins of Theramore, the manabomb did open rifts to other worlds that could be used to build portals.

[Traveler Voltin]

maybe it's because Alliance has lost Dustwallow Marsh, Southshore (Hillsbrad in general), The barrens forces, Western Plaguelands (in a quest chain) and needs to retake "something" back right? the Alliance are currently the boring "good guys" that always "react" to a wrongdoing done by some aggresive force.(mostly horde) Alliance needs to go on the offense more. heck, they should be the aggressors for once.


besides, who said anything about taking Lordaeron back? you didn't even read my reply it seems.

Dustwallow marsh is not lost. south shore is a pile of goo that cant support life for at least 100,000 years, Northwatch is back in alliance hands but barrens is still mostly horde(always has been anyway). also many times must it been explained why the alliance lost zones. Alliance use to have 5 or 6 more leveling zones then horde. cata tried to balance it, zones are close to even with the alliance only having 1 more zone than horde.
Alliance vs horde crap needs to end for good. it only screws everything up and leaves an empty feeling.

i read enough to know you want to screw over the forsaken.

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you can't give Ashenvale to Alliance entirely, it would break the game. and having another Theramore is meaningless at this point, it was built to shelter the survivors of third war... now they're either dead or fled to other cities. what use would a new Theramore have?

ashenvale is alliance 100% in lore and wont be shown in game

[Gamevizier]

i read enough to know you want to screw over the forsaken.

ashenvale is alliance 100% in lore and wont be shown in game

so it was ok for Blizzard to "screw humans" over n over but when it is even -SUGGESTED- that the forsaken should be next suddently everything is NOT fine and there should be no more conflict?

btw what's with the whole "no more horde vs. alliance" nonesense? Warcraft IS about horde vs. alliance conflict, blizzard even blatantly said that orc vs. human conflict is the soul of Warcraft. heck they've been doing everything in their power to bring the good ol' days of Warcraft back. (WoD is actually a big nostalgic trip)

without Horde vs. Alliance there's nothing left of WoW. how boring would it be if everlasting peace settles in???

Varian : "hey! Vol'jin! wanna come to my keep for dinner? Jaina's cooking Murloc stew tonite!"

Bane : "Shit! is that Kil'Jaenen??? everybody hold hands!! we're gonna blast that fucker with our rainbow friendship power!"

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Ashenvale becoming fully Alliance would prove fatal for Horde because Horde, even before Garrosh came to power, was in dire need of wood. there was a whole meeting between Varian and Thrall regarding Ashenvale, Anduin suggested that the horde trade with night elves and receive wood. Garrosh told Thrall that true orcs take what they want, now Horde does not control any part of Ashenvale... and in their current state they're gonna even more wood. Night Elves can control it as much as they want that would cause the same mess to repeat again.

[Traveler Voltin]

so it was ok for Blizzard to "screw humans" over n over but when it is even -SUGGESTED- that the forsaken should be next suddently everything is NOT fine and there should be no more conflict?

btw what's with the whole "no more horde vs. alliance" nonesense? Warcraft IS about horde vs. alliance conflict, blizzard even blatantly said that orc vs. human conflict is the soul of Warcraft. heck they've been doing everything in their power to bring the good ol' days of Warcraft back. (WoD is actually a big nostalgic trip)

without Horde vs. Alliance there's nothing left of WoW. how boring would it be if everlasting peace settles in???

Varian : "hey! Vol'jin! wanna come to my keep for dinner? Jaina's cooking Murloc stew tonite!"

Bane : "Shit! is that Kil'Jaenen??? everybody hold hands!! we're gonna blast that fucker with our rainbow friendship power!"

Humans have gotten enough stuff recentlu at the cost of making the rest of the alliance look stupid.

Blizzard is stuck in the past with the orcs vs humans crap.

[Azutael]

I'm much more keen on the idea of rebuilding Stromgarde for the alliance.

Because of the new major stronghold of the alliance in arathi highlands, the horde would need to withdraw back to hillsbrad.
Alliance would gain control over the thandol span, probably rebuild it. And thereby have a new, major supply route to reinforce stromgarde.

Western plaguelands would remain divided between the Forsaken and the argent dawn. But the Forsaken would claim Andorhal (which I think they have done story wise?).
Eastern plaguelands would finally be cleansed, and be "neutral", argent dawn territory together with the ebon blade.

The hinterlands is one of those "meh who cares" zones. The horde would probably be driven back to the east coast though, and have nothing inland. The dwarfs would be difficult to get rid of because of the backing from stromgarde, and the new supply route connecting to the wetlands.

[Combatbutler]

btw what's with the whole "no more horde vs. alliance" nonesense? Warcraft IS about horde vs. alliance conflict, blizzard even blatantly said that orc vs. human conflict is the soul of Warcraft. heck they've been doing everything in their power to bring the good ol' days of Warcraft back. (WoD is actually a big nostalgic trip)

And as a consequence the game is quite shitty wod is an incredible weak expansion. Much of the wod lore is a joke and as such the soul of this expansion is even weaker than its predecessors, the iron horde isn't a great interesting enemy and the Alliance and horde conflict is annoying as usual with no real impact, since it can't be done in an mmo with two factions, no side can ever beat the other it is just a back and forth.

[Kallisto]

so it was ok for Blizzard to "screw humans" over n over but when it is even -SUGGESTED- that the forsaken should be next suddently everything is NOT fine and there should be no more conflict?

btw what's with the whole "no more horde vs. alliance" nonesense? Warcraft IS about horde vs. alliance conflict, blizzard even blatantly said that orc vs. human conflict is the soul of Warcraft. heck they've been doing everything in their power to bring the good ol' days of Warcraft back. (WoD is actually a big nostalgic trip)

without Horde vs. Alliance there's nothing left of WoW. how boring would it be if everlasting peace settles in???

Varian : "hey! Vol'jin! wanna come to my keep for dinner? Jaina's cooking Murloc stew tonite!"

Bane : "Shit! is that Kil'Jaenen??? everybody hold hands!! we're gonna blast that fucker with our rainbow friendship power!"

Without horde vs alliance what do you have?

A Unified combined force on Azeroth that when the legion comes actually has a chance to fight the legion.

Or is Azeroth vs Burning Legion too not in warcraft lore that it needs a new name?


Seriously people think that Horde vs Alliance is the only conflict in the game and somehow everyone would be magically at peace if they stopped fighting. Hint for you guys. Horde vs Alliance would be like US vs Soviet union at war. (Before soviets had nukes) But it didn't happen and the world was at no point actually at peace. Both sides had wars even sometimes nothing to do with having the other gain influence. Just because the Alliance and Horde stopped fighting doesn't mean war is gone.

And as a consequence the game is quite shitty wod is an incredible weak expansion. Much of the wod lore is a joke and as such the soul of this expansion is even weaker than its predecessors, the iron horde isn't a great interesting enemy and the Alliance and horde conflict is annoying as usual with no real impact, since it can't be done in an mmo with two factions, no side can ever beat the other it is just a back and forth.

And the reason for the fighting is stupid "They might have big weapon which might hurt us so we must hurt them first." by the troll leader is the reason. A reason a 2 year old could come up with. Hell the fact that this task force is even separate is dumb considering it was supposed to be unified azeroth going to defeat iron horde.