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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    Oh please, humans lack the punch. I mean they could put orcs in camps again (that would be hilarous) but lets face it, blizzard lacks balls to do that.
    ya but everyone who plays Horde predominately hates humans cause "racism".

    I really hope that alliance will get something to compensate. One idea is to have night elves to plant that tree from harry potter that beat people shit up in middle of orgrimmar. It would be literally fist bumping (on citizens of org face).
    lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perpetuus View Post
    Hopefully he is solo able next xpac so I can come back as a shado-pan transmog'd pandaren monk and solo his face into the ground.
    I'm sure he will be, though you're probably gona need a blood DK
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    See I'm not happy to see him go because I hate him, I'm happy to see him go because I'm tired of him. He started out vaguely interesting, an orc living under the shadow of his father's legacy. Desperately trying to make up for the horrors that he left on Garrosh's shoulders, only to find out that he'd made up for it (somewhat) in the end. Then we get to Wrath and even in the pre-event they started him on the whole following in his father's footsteps thing. They could have done so much with him, or even built up to his fall so much more quietly, and they didn't. After that and up to now it's gotten even worse, he's become every cliche orc trait from warcraft 1 and 2.

    I'm just so sick of the:"Rahhhh! Me big bad orc, me lie, cheat, and kill to get what me want and me kill you if you try and stop me!!!" at this point that he can't die quickly enough. My one fear is that they'll put Sylvanas in charge with her even more obvious "I'm becoming the thing I hated most" plotline.
    We have felled demon commanders, cowed the master of death, conquered Old Gods, and stopped the Aspect of Death from destroying the very planet. Now, we need to kill this dude who managed to enslave pudding eating panda's, slobbering sauroks, and hilariously inept hozen. Awesome. Really epic.

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    I've always liked Garrosh. How he actually fares at leading the Horde has never concerned me--I don't need him to be a "good" or "bad" leader of a fictional organization, I just would like him to be interesting. And I did indeed find that orange megalomaniac interesting on many occasions.

    I always figured the Horde needed someone like Garrosh--someone who is angry, prone to violence, crude yet clever and above all imperfect at his job. Since the Alliance/Horde war will never end (this being a MMO and such), Garrosh was the kind of character one would expect to keep that war going.

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    I like him for the interesting and sometimes rather heated discussion he has caused over the last few years. Its made for some fun reading on the forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    How can you appreciate a guy who systematically destroyed the horde as it was, who killed one leader and tried to kill another, who spits in the faces of every non-orc out there, and even goes as far to say in the 5.4 trailer all other races are not part of his horde.

    If you appreciate him for being an asshole, thats fine, by all means do so, maybe theres people who likes assholes and so find that connection to garrosh, like twilight fans find a connection to soulless deadpans like bella. But people really need to stop deluding themselves that he's something he isn't.
    I probably didn't clarify enough what my contention was in the initial post:

    I don't like Garrosh in the way that I admired one of my teachers who took the time to help me after a class or a person who volunteers to feed the homeless or donate to charity or even a close friend.

    I appreciate Garrosh in the same sense that I appreciated what Arthas did to involve me in the game: He's a villain that has gotten me excited to raid for the first time in two dozen patches.
    Last edited by bionics; 2013-09-05 at 11:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bionics View Post
    He's made for an interesting character.
    He has? News to me.

    *me kill alliance, me smash*. Super interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bionics View Post
    I probably didn't clarify enough what my contention was in the initial post:

    I don't like Garrosh in the way that I admired one of my teachers who took the time to help me after a class or a person who volunteers to feed the homeless or donate to charity or even a close friend.

    I appreciate Garrosh in the same sense that I appreciated what Arthas did to involve me in the game: He's a villain that has gotten me excited to raid for the first time in two dozen patches.
    well of course, in the sense of it what the character does as opposed to the character themselves.

    To me, Garrosh always has been a massive tool, a plot deviced used as a foil to develop other characters, and in that regard, yes, him being that much of an asshole was able to develop other characters like vol'jin, Jaina, lor'themar, Anduin, Thrall and Varian along.

    Make you wonder, if there killing Garrosh off, as a foil for other characters, what they intend to do to develop other lore characters along further without such a tool.

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    Trassk's post immediately after OP? Damn - he is efficient.

    As for 'appreciating' Garrosh. . .

    For me:

    -as long as you appreciate him for being a well-placed ultimate ascended foe that made vast portion of his faction turn against him due to his atrocities, that is fine by my standards.

    -as long as you DO NOT make up BS redeeming reasons for the sole sake of helping yourself sleep better, that is fine by my book.

    -as long as you DO NOT rally against what you perceive as a 'bad Blizz storytelling' just because your fave is -most likely- killed off, this too is something I can sign up for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bionics View Post
    I probably didn't clarify enough what my contention was in the initial post:

    I don't like Garrosh in the way that I admired one of my teachers who took the time to help me after a class or a person who volunteers to feed the homeless or donate to charity or even a close friend.

    I appreciate Garrosh in the same sense that I appreciated what Arthas did to involve me in the game: He's a villain that has gotten me excited to raid for the first time in two dozen patches.
    I understand that, the only reason Im still subbed is because I find Garrosh and the concept of SoO interesting and I want to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    How can you appreciate a guy who systematically destroyed the horde as it was, who killed one leader and tried to kill another, who spits in the faces of every non-orc out there, and even goes as far to say in the 5.4 trailer all other races are not part of his horde.

    If you appreciate him for being an asshole, thats fine, by all means do so, maybe theres people who likes assholes and so find that connection to garrosh, like twilight fans find a connection to soulless deadpans like bella. But people really need to stop deluding themselves that he's something he isn't.
    1. He didn't destroy the Horde. It's not his fault everyone turned into pacifists.

    2. The leader he killed challenged him based on a false premise, and the one he tried to kill threatened to kill him first.

    3. Okay, he's racist, no doubt about that.

    4. The other racists rebelled, so by definition they're not part of his Horde.

    5. Bella is fine. Just because a girl isn't a loudmouth ditz doesn't mean she has no personality.

    I don't care how many useless posts you make in your anti-Garrosh agenda, he put the factions at war, keeps the Horde feeling darker than the Alliance (with help from Sylvanas) and makes the story interesting. That's plenty of good reason to like a character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itisamuh View Post
    1. He didn't destroy the Horde. It's not his fault everyone turned into pacifists.
    Lol pacifists?

    2. The leader he killed challenged him based on a false premise, and the one he tried to kill threatened to kill him first.
    Let's ignore the fact that Garrosh didn't view Vol'jin as an enemy until the Pandaria campaign so stop using the threat he made as Garrosh's motive when it wasn't as the story played out.

    3. Okay, he's racist, no doubt about that.

    4. The other racists rebelled, so by definition they're not part of his Horde.
    Other racists? What the hell?

    I don't care how many useless posts you make in your anti-Garrosh agenda, he put the factions at war, keeps the Horde feeling darker than the Alliance (with help from Sylvanas) and makes the story interesting. That's plenty of good reason to like a character.
    The faction war is fucking stupid as shit. What are you talking about? You know what would make the faction war interesting? The Blood Elves actually switching to the Alliance. Orgrimmar permanently occupied by the Alliance following the siege, the Alliance telling the rebel Horde to either join them and receive aid or piss the fuck off out of Alliance land since the conquering army is now claiming all of Durotar and surrounding territories. The Horde actually dissolving after losing to the Alliance. Alliance leaders having a schism within their faction when it comes to how to divide up the spoils of the defeated Horde. Horde leaders responsible for major aggression (like Sylvanas) against the Alliance all executed summarily. THAT would make the faction war interesting. This bullshit of mustache twirling aggression so Horde players can do quests to "kill Alliance" isn't interesting at all. It's stupid and ridiculous actually.
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    The faction war was never interesting quite honestly, it would be if it wasn't in MMO Format, but Gameplay gets in the way. If it wasn't for Gameplay Garrosh's "True" Horde wouldn't be threatened by Vol'jin's rebellion and would've already taken back Razor Hill, not to mention, this whole rebellion thing was pretty much set up so that the Horde could join the Alliance in getting rid of Garrosh. Also Long story short, both factions get fucked over. If this was WCI or II, I'd be all for it, sadly it's not.

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    Ill credit Garrosh this---It was nice of him to make the valley of wisdom the tauren district. That waterfall and pond stuff, nice and high where we get the breezes, tucked nicely away from all the sounds/smells of machines remind me of old orgrimmar. It was pretty thoughtful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WanderingBreezes View Post
    To be honest, the worst thing about Horde archetecture is how incredibly ineffective and easily destroyed it is. To take out an alliance fortress you need siege weapons and spies. To take out a Horde fortress you need some torches and a book to read while it all burns down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cxzar View Post
    And that's true, he became an even bigger douche than his father. At least Grom did something for his people in the end
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    I appreciate garrosh for knocking thrall's green ass across the room in 5.4.

    I also appreciate him for trying to kill vol'jin. I hope that throat cut made his "Please don't go alliance! We neeeeeed you!" sound really raspy.

    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenbeef View Post
    I appreciate him pre tides of war however after that he just went bat poop crazy and started killing everything in site, using old gods to gain power and slapping every ally he ever had >.<

    what would warchief garrosh do, made me like garrosh - starts at 1:12+ :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itisamuh View Post
    2. The leader he killed challenged him based on a false premise, and the one he tried to kill threatened to kill him first.
    Cairne was perfectly content with just giving Garrosh an ass-kicking. It was Garrosh who up-the-ante and made it a duel to the death.
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    Ugh, these threads are just a lure for Trassk to come mindlessly spam Garrosh hate. We get it. He's a bastard. HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE.

    I appreciate Garrosh because ORC SMASH.

    Seriously, we have enough tree and nature-loving races in this game. We don't need any deep, inner peace-seeking story (the writing apparently isn't strong enough to make it decent anyway).

    Let orcs just be orcs! Lok'tar OGAR!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManjiSanji View Post
    Let orcs just be orcs! Lok'tar OGAR!
    I agree! *looks at the chain of severed orc heads dragging on the ground behind her nightsaber* more angry dumb orc cannon fodder plz!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    Oh please, humans lack the punch. I mean they could put orcs in camps again (that would be hilarous) but lets face it, blizzard lacks balls to do that.

    I really hope that alliance will get something to compensate. One idea is to have night elves to plant that tree from harry potter that beat people shit up in middle of orgrimmar. It would be literally fist bumping (on citizens of org face).

    I laughed way too hard at that xD
    Quote Originally Posted by WanderingBreezes View Post
    To be honest, the worst thing about Horde archetecture is how incredibly ineffective and easily destroyed it is. To take out an alliance fortress you need siege weapons and spies. To take out a Horde fortress you need some torches and a book to read while it all burns down.

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