Jaina just need a night with Kalec
That only works if, the population actually accepts them and does not fight back in guerilla style, until they are in a position to overthrow the occupation force.
We are talking about a medieval setting, were farmers with pitchforks are still a threat and the Alliance is already so spread thin that they have quite a few problems at home, in order to subdue the horde races they will need far more than just a few castles, with a handful of soldiers.So? Numbers don't mean much when you're better armed and hold a fortified position. A small garrison occupying a small castle can maintain control over a much larger population. It's been done in medieval Europe hundreds of times. Plenty of Alliance know magic, too, especially if they can convince the blood elves to sit it out, so that's not going to make that much of a difference.
And the orcs got lucky that the human kingdoms had drawn down their militaries after the Second War. They never faced an actual army before they ran away across the sea.
The Alliance is spread thin because of Horde invasions all over the place. When they're ejected from places like Ashenvale, The Swamp of Sorrows and of course Pandaria and confined to their own lands, it will free up a lot of troops.
And guerrilla-style tactics are far less effective in a medieval setting. The more primitive and far less destructive weaponry means that hit-and-run attacks by small groups of people simply don't inflict much damage. Magic can compensate to a degree, but there simply aren't that many mages.
There have been hundreds, if not thousands of uprisings like you describe throughout history. The vast majority ended badly, eventually crushed by troops with superior weapons and cohesion. History shows quite clearly that yes, a relatively small occupying force can maintain control over an entire country. It's the cases where the occupied countries manage to throw them that are the exception.
Hardly. There's only a handful of shamans who are that powerful. Same goes for other magic-users. They have to be, or there would be no point even building the things in the first place. Obviously everybody and their mother goes to the considerable trouble of building fortifications, so they must be worth the expense. They wouldn't be if the first shaman that comes along could tear it down. And most of those that can, would be in the armies that would have been subdued before the occupation even began.
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If Azeroth medieval world would be like our I might agree, but there are fundamental differences, which make these points kinda naught, raiding the supply lines for these outposts for example could seriously cripple their capabillities, walls in the wow universe hardly offer the same protection, unless you spend a massive amount of resources on them, not to mention they need to be build, their food could easily be poisoned etc. there are so many factors that play into all this. A few powerful individuals born into the oppressed people could change everything.
The horde is not the only problem the Alliance has, they will have to focus on subduing the horde and taking care of their own problems and those of the former horde like harpies ,quilboar, trolls, naga attacks etc on top.
It just isn't that simple, neither side will be able to take over the other in the near future.
Well, in medieval times the regular people seldom held any thoughts of freedom from the masters, whether new or old. They generally got along with their lives, who ruled the local castle mattered less than the amount of taxes he was imposing. The mentality would be rather different in Kalimdor I'd imagine.
Any domination would have to be done by means of instilling fear in the populace and exert retributions on the locals for attacks on the forces, since I don't think that "winning the locals confidence" would be an option. Would be an interesting turn in the good/bad arc.
Quite right. A tragedy like Theramore can break a person. Let's remember that Jaina lost an apprentice she had become attached to, all her familiar friends and citizens of Theramore, her *place* in the world, and Rhonin.
Yes, Garrosh may have been toppled, but Jaina recognizes that the Horde has the potential to do evil. Garrosh likely has proponents remaining within the Horde, now existing in secret. Plus, there's the simple fact that it is still "us" versus "them" and the Alliance will never know what the Horde is planning -- Sylvanas, for one, is almost as unhinged as Garrosh, and she could easily create Theramore 2 with a plague in the Eastern Kingdoms.
A Farewell to Pre-Cataclysm Azeroth (video)
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All of those things either are also true in the real world history, or can be made to work in the Alliance's favor just as easily as against them. Supply lines for example: the Allies have Dalaran on their side, set up a system of supply via portals.
And who said anything about oppressing the races of the former Horde? You just assume that every one of them is going to be unfailingly hostile to the Alliance, but half of them were only in it for their own gain to begin with, and all except the orcs were treated like crap, used as cannon fodder etc for the last few years. You really think now that Garrosh is dead, they'll just go "the asshole's gone, all water under the bridge"? They may not like the Alliance much, but I don't think they're all that fond of the Horde either at the moment.
A post-WWII style occupation, where you help your former enemies get back on their feet, then pull out once they can handle themselves and are to busy making something of their lives to go fuck with others, could work
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Jaina died somewhere in 5.3 and now is Mal'ganis.
I mean he used human leaders once, allready and is still out on revenge.
Setting her up to be the next bad guy When she sides with the naga to take on both horde and alliance thus being the darkness below cause she feels betrayed by the alliance for not attacking after hellscream and she hates the horde with a passion .
Remember the evil model of her they data mines leads me to believe this theory .
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ITT: World of Warcraft's female character gains a boost in personality and becomes less of a soulless husk of a soccer mom?
INTO THE TRASH IT GOES! ! !
The evil model was the one last Introduced , with the gold streak giving her a more sinister look what I call aka evil
Her reaction during the alliance cut scene shows she wants blood and the king allows a peace treaty . S
You know she's fuming , who else can she turn to but the naga that's the only plane really Warcraft had yet to touch .
Will jaina turn her back on Dalaran and reach the depths of darkness to fulfill her blood lust ?
That's the direction I believe it's heading and in the near future (pre exp content leading into exp ) she will slowly go mad
This will be unveiled as you do the keepers of time weekly and it reaches full power you rfind she's the traitor .
Which can easily be hijacked by someone skilled enough.
It might work, but the chances are very slim.And who said anything about oppressing the races of the former Horde? You just assume that every one of them is going to be unfailingly hostile to the Alliance, but half of them were only in it for their own gain to begin with, and all except the orcs were treated like crap, used as cannon fodder etc for the last few years. You really think now that Garrosh is dead, they'll just go "the asshole's gone, all water under the bridge"? They may not like the Alliance much, but I don't think they're all that fond of the Horde either at the moment.
A post-WWII style occupation, where you help your former enemies get back on their feet, then pull out once they can handle themselves and are to busy making something of their lives to go fuck with others, could work
There is no love between the common people of both factions , tauren are generally seen as beasts, blood elves as traitors, goblins are untrustworthy in general, the forsaken would most likely be purged, orcs would hate the situation no matter the outcome. For them it would be changing one overlord, who restricted them to the next, albeit not as bad but definitely not loved either, not to mention should their leaders face trials for their "crimes" and being imprisoned or executed the general population might not like that one bit, especially the darkspear and tauren.
When did that happen, exactly? Or did you just make that up? I can't recall any case where portals were actually redirected.
Still better odds than letting Garrosh 2.0 rebuild the Horde military and come back for Round God-knows-how-many-chances-now.
Not redirected, hijacked.
http://wowpedia.org/Quest:Commando_Drop
Very powerful people can redirect such things if they catch on, like Jaina did in Darnassus for example, before the blood elves bypassed her.
Arguably, the orcs are contained and a non orc leads the horde, it is a risk true, but it will cost less alliance lives in the immediate future and might work out in the long turn, both sides have merit, though occupation is less favorable for lasting peace.Still better odds than letting Garrosh 2.0 rebuild the Horde military and come back for Round God-knows-how-many-chances-now.
she will get the varian treatment. just watch. i HIGHLY doubt they went through all the trouble of building her up just to be another raid boss. they wouldnt make her leader of the kirin tor and just kill her off.
i dont know how but i really feel like they are going to have varian play voice of reason how she was to him through all of wrath and have it culminate in her not going back to her old passive self but a more rounded, non vengeful version.
And how many of such very powerful people would there be after a war to the finish? Can't be many.
Depends on how trustworthy you consider the current leaders and the population. Jaina has no trust in them at all anymore, and I don't blame her. She could be wrong, but one thing she isn't is crazy or irrational. And of course, if it doesn't work out in the long run, many more Alliance lives will be lost than if you finish them off now.
nowhere in that does it show her wanting blood. its somewhat implied but she doesnt say that she want them dead. she wants them dismantled. there is a HUGE difference. she just want them to have no organized government and i somewhat dont blame her. sure that opens up ALL kinds of other problems but this isnt about that.
the horde could very well be dismantled without endless bloodshed. its not gonna happen but it could. think of it as the fall of nazi germany, or the soviet union. did they all die? no. the government just went away.