Ca passes 10$ minimum wage

[Zigzagzoom]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3908620.html




Wonder if this is a trend across the US. Mixed feelings, yea it's good for the individual but perhaps employers would compensate by staffing adjustments. Interesting development.

[ghotihook]

West coast has pretty high cost of living. I doubt $10 is as big of a deal as it might be in other places.

That's very true. Where I live you could definitely live off of $10/hr (assuming you're working full time) if you had nobody to support.

[Reeve]

Most fast food type establishments in the bigger cities in CA were already paying around that amount. When I was in high school 13 years ago, In N Out was paying their people $9.75/hour in CA. I have no doubt it has gone up significantly since then.

I guess we'll see how it pans out.

[testsubjectzz]

I am thankful that I live in Australia and we have minimum wages and we don't have to rely on tips. I suspect that this will cause companies to hire people off the books so they can pay them lower because that's what happens here.

[Rukentuts]

I am thankful that I live in Australia and we have minimum wages and we don't have to rely on tips. I suspect that this will cause companies to hire people off the books so they can pay them lower because that's what happens here.

At least with tips you can decide who did a good enough job to deserve it and hold it from the ones who don't.

[testsubjectzz]

At least with tips you can decide who did a good enough job to deserve it and hold it from the ones who don't.

We do have tips but the our livelihood isn't reliant on it. I used to work in hospitality and we would share all tips and in some places where we didn't (Casino) there would be 20% cut of our tips to the managers/supervisors. Plus we would also have best employee award so you would know who would be doing a good job and who wasn't. The people that provided bad service to customers usually always got their shifts cut or transferred to another place where the clientele wasn't so readily to give tips.

[Endus]

The only province in Canada where it's less than $10/hour is Alberta, and there it's $9.95.

The better question is why isn't the minimum wage higher, throughout the US.

[Dakia]

I am thankful that I live in Australia and we have minimum wages and we don't have to rely on tips. I suspect that this will cause companies to hire people off the books so they can pay them lower because that's what happens here.

Jobs that receive tips are usually exempt from the usual minimum wage and have their own minimum wage to compensate.

[Rukentuts]

Because rich people are convinced that keeping people poor will make them not poor.
Poor people are convinced they're all secretly rich people just waiting for their big break.

Minimum wage increases are paid by the consumers though, not the richest.

[Video Games]

Thank fuck. I make 9 now and it's not enough for any place in la.

[Spectral]

As is generally the case in the US, this number isn't a whole lot different than the market clearing price of labor anyway, so I have no real issue with it. It'll help some individuals around the fringes and hurt almost no one.

[Rukentuts]

idk, when I hear people talking about proposed increases or theoretical increases or whatever they often refer to it as though it's some sort of welfare that undermines everything this country stands for.

I'd actually prefer welfare to minimum wage increases, because at least the vast majority of the taxes are paid by the richest.

Of course the tax code itself caters to them heavily as well.

[Spectral]

The only province in Canada where it's less than $10/hour is Alberta, and there it's $9.95.

The better question is why isn't the minimum wage higher, throughout the US.

The purchasing power of $1 American is $1.23 Canadian (source), so the $7.25 minimum wage is functionally equivalent to $9 Canadian. To be on par with the $10/hour in Canada, the US would only need to go to $8.13.

[Gheld]

10's a good number. People were skeptical at first when they pushed for a 10 dollar minimum wage in my province, but it panned out just fine.

For a single person with no dependants, you can essentially support yourself with ANY job now. The only prices that were really effected by it out of step with the regular inflation rate were prices in industries that traditionally made minimum wage. So fast food in other words.

Since retail food was already handled by people making 10 or more per hour there was no effect there.

[ComputerNerd]

At least with tips you can decide who did a good enough job to deserve it and hold it from the ones who don't.

You can do that anyway, but it should not be mandatory and necessary to make up a wage shortfall.
Tips for good service should be on top of a sufficient wage, not propping it up.

If it is expected that much then it should be a mandatory service charge and a stated part of the bill, where it cannot under any circumstances be called a tip.

[Rukentuts]

You can do that anyway, but it should not be mandatory and necessary to make up a wage shortfall.
Tips for good service should be on top of a sufficient wage, not propping it up.

If it is expected that much then it should be a mandatory service charge and a stated part of the bill, where it cannot under any circumstances be called a tip.

Yeah, except if you remove the mandatory part, tips will go the way of the dodo (mostly), and I rather like penalizing what few shits I come across. If you stand in the back flapping your yap to a girl friend when I'm waiting for the check, you don't deserve to get paid at all since you're not doing your job.

[Rukentuts]

I don't know enough about economics to have too much of an opinion, I just think it's really, really stupid how people treat it like some sort of moral issue.

There was an article the other day in the Star Tribune about how the top 1% had their income increase by 19% in 2012, while everyone else averaged a 1% increase. We're at the biggest wage disparity since the 1920s.

[Video Games]

You can do that anyway, but it should not be mandatory and necessary to make up a wage shortfall.
Tips for good service should be on top of a sufficient wage, not propping it up.

If it is expected that much then it should be a mandatory service charge and a stated part of the bill, where it cannot under any circumstances be called a tip.

All of the waiters at my restaurant have 2 jobs and multiple roommates just to stay in the green. They make like 2 bucks an hour.

[Unholyground]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3908620.html




Wonder if this is a trend across the US. Mixed feelings, yea it's good for the individual but perhaps employers would compensate by staffing adjustments. Interesting development.

Where I live in the east coast of Canada, our minimum is about $10.15 and if you rent it is pretty easy to live decent with that wage, you will buy no means struggle to survive if you live within your means. Also the average mortgage for a brand new house here is 140k, were talking brand new and up to modern code.

[Rukentuts]

All of the waiters at my restaurant have 2 jobs and multiple roommates just to stay in the green. They make like 2 bucks an hour.

And my SO has one job and stays in the green with the tips. So I guess my anecdote and yours can cancel each other out?